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    100+ small bales to the acre?

    Is that still true?

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    straw/hay/silage or what?

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Little tiny square ones should be atound or over that first cut? Hay
    But if goes dry now doubt it?

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidroberts30 View Post
    straw/hay/silage or what?
    Hay - appreciate the variables, but ball park.

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Not this year

    But that's the target for good bales.

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Tons of variables, but yes, 100/acre is a good target IMO

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    3 year ago we got 160/acre @20kgs of a 10 acre field of hay
    2 year ago was 140
    last year was a wash out

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    100 bales is a nice crop to bale (as long as it's rowed up properly) 150 and everyone is making some money. 200 is getting a bit much and will take a bit of making and if you haven't got the weather with you then you will have a job to get it fit.

    I once baled 300 bales to the acre for a customer after they had plastered far too much pig slurry on to it and it was a grassy year. Not sure how we did it but we got it quite well but the cows wouldn't eat it. It was what we call too "ronk" round these parts.

    Of course when you get down to the horseyculture end of the market where it is just a patch of squitch and been poached all Winter you can be as low as 30-40 bales/acre. That's no good to man nor beast.

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    100 bales of hay is good crop, anything from 80 upwards would be acceptable. If the crop is too heavy it can be a sod to 'make' if the weather is dodgy; which it seems to be every year at the moment!

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    For the last 2 years I've taken approximately 2500 bales off 16 acres, and could do with reseeding 1/2 of it, granted last year was end of July and middle of August, but its all gone to very happy repeat customers.

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Nearly all our grass averages 100 to acre. We have block 90 acres that does over 150.. Ex dairy farm that's had muck and slurry poured over it for last 25 yrs. but does take some making and even when made well moves around in the barn a lot as its very lush grass...
    And we only put 50 kilos acre fert on.. 100 this spring though...
    at 150 to acre at 3 bale into the trade or take an average through hole acerage with 20000 bales we deliver in at 5 bale and way ahead of a 3 ton wheat crop grown in this area.

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Quote Originally Posted by WoodenHead View Post
    Hay - appreciate the variables, but ball park.
    I would expect up to 150 bales an acre, and those being big heavy small bales, from first cut. And there is plenty of time yet to get that by the end of May or early June.
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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Wet May- full barn of hay ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGT View Post
    Wet May- full barn of hay ?

    how bigs your barn?

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowabunga View Post
    I would expect up to 150 bales an acre, and those being big heavy small bales, from first cut. And there is plenty of time yet to get that by the end of May or early June.
    The way grass is growing this year, we wouldn't reach 50 bales/acre in that time scale. If I can make 100 bales off 1st cut and 50 off second I'm happy. Better with a light crop saved then a heavy crop lost.

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    One man's bale is another man's handbag.

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    Whilst I grant your honesty, I would question your arithmetic. (apart from Ulsterscot, who is nearer the mark)

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Quote Originally Posted by b slicker View Post
    One man's bale is another man's handbag.

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    Whilst I grant your honesty, I would question your arithmetic. (apart from Ulsterscot, who is nearer the mark)
    you work it out for me then 1645 bales of 10 acre
    and i'll tell you for a fact they weighed around 20 kgs as i was weighing them regular off the baler to keep them consistent

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    It's a he'll of a crop that's for sure, usually reckon on 2ton/acre

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    Aa depends whether grass is rolled or not... How much fert it has... Some land we rent wouldn't a done 50 to acre with previous tenant.
    Never seen a flat roll. Very little if any fert, no sprays etc.. You only get out what you put in..

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    much over 100 to the acre wont be sheep hay ,will be too coarse ,ok for cattle / horses though , would never fert before a cut either, always after

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Quote Originally Posted by andybk View Post
    much over 100 to the acre wont be sheep hay ,will be too coarse ,ok for cattle / horses though , would never fert before a cut either, always after
    Depends on what grasses are in the sward and when you cut it as to whether it's too coarse or not. Wouldn't dream of shutting up a field for hay without puting some fert. on it. I'm talking about making hay in June. If you have to wait for the weather and it get's into July or even August then it will be coarse.

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Is there a physical limitation on the number of small bales/acre?

    A couple of years ago I had so much grass I abandoned the possibility of small bale hay and went for round bale haylage. My equipment could not cope!

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    As per my post no. 8 in this topic. I did 300 bales/acre once and I would have to look in my workbooks to see what year it was. It was in June I think and we had a week or more of really good weather to get it. I remember the problems we had. It was only a 6 acre field but there just wasn't anywhere to put the stuff. All we could do was keep throwing it round the parish and eventually we got it quite fit. I know we were using Haybobs at the time. If we had still been in Acrobat/Cock Pheasant times we would really have bene up against it because there were no big round balers in those days.

    We got lucky (or rather the customer did) But as I said before, the cows wouldn't eat it. Too ronk.

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    yes and the blumming finger bar mowers would'nt cut it neither?

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Of topic but maybe of interest. Last year from a 50 acre field of barley we got exactly 5,000 Heavey small bales.
    When Nick is comparing hay against cereals I think he needs to include the straw value?

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    Quote Originally Posted by czechmate View Post
    Of topic but maybe of interest. Last year from a 50 acre field of barley we got exactly 5,000 Heavey small bales.
    When Nick is comparing hay against cereals I think he needs to include the straw value?
    An acre of grass grown and sold compared to acre cereals grown and sold... We always have a 2nd cut silage and/or get paid for sheep grazing which equivocates to same or more than straw per acre..
    we bale all our own straw in conventional bales so no what's involved...
    just got job to cut make bale and stack in barn 15000 small bales hay..
    we have rented the land on and off for yrs and always get around 15000 from the 120 acres.
    we are charging 2 bale so that's 250 acre....
    well over double what you get to do stubble to stubble contract...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGT View Post
    yes and the blumming finger bar mowers would'nt cut it neither?
    Please don't remind me about that. Having said that, in those days probably all the hay fields got was a bag of Nitro-Chalk to the acre. Not many 100 bales/acre crops in those days unless it was new seeds and the field had received a visit from the muck cart. But cutting with a cutter bar mower was a very satisfying job, just seeing the grass fall away behind the bed. The only real gripe was that they cut pheasant's legs off.

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Quote Originally Posted by nick channer View Post
    Aa depends whether grass is rolled or not... How much fert it has... Some land we rent wouldn't a done 50 to acre with previous tenant.
    Never seen a flat roll. Very little if any fert, no sprays etc.. You only get out what you put in..
    Nick it might seem a stupid question but why are you keen on the flat roll?

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    Out of interest, what would you expect to pay a contractor to mow, turn and bale 15 acres of grass over 2 cuts of hay? Fairly flat land and easy going. So, assume a fair result and 1500 bales first time / 700 second time? 2200 small bales all done for you. What would that cost ball park? Is it usually charged per bale or per acre?

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    Re: 100+ small bales to the acre?

    1.50p -1.80p a bale

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