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    New PC?

    My desktop has reached the point where it just aggravates me too much, so I need a new one before this one is taken outside and shot.

    Where do I get one from?
    This one is a Dell and has been OK but they seem a bit on the dear side now.
    eBuyer?
    Currys pc World?

    Next question. Which operating system? This one is on Vista but I doubt that is an option anymore.
    W7 pro? Or W8? Haven't heard anything good about W8 though.

    Don't need anything flash, I just browse the net, watch porn and stuff same as everyone.

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    Re: New PC?

    You may well have to resign yourself to having to have Windows 8, as that is what Microsoft are pushing for the manufacturers to supply.

    If you avoid the well known brands and sellers and instead buy from a dealer who will do a fully customised build you might be able to get Windows 7, and in that case you will be probably fine with Windows 7 Home Premium, it is unlikely that you will need the pro edition this is generally aimed at companies with large(ish) networks.

    Windows 8 is in some respects very different from Windows 7, it took me two days to fully get used to it and I work in IT, but when you dig around about all the Windows 7 bits and pieces are there just no There is due at some point this year Windows 8.1 which will be a free upgrade and this puts back a few of the bits that the public have complained bitterly about.

    With Windows 8, if you treat the new look tile start screen as the equivalent of the Windows start menu it gets a bit easier to understand. I don't use the "App" mode versions of anything on Windows 8 and stick to the traditional desktop with icons for my most frequently used programs on the Task bar at the bottom of the screen, or on the tile start screen.

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    Re: New PC?

    I have no idea what you are talking about, but thanks.

    ebuyer still offer Win7 as an option.

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    Re: New PC?

    Any decent box from most companies will do you for general stuff, make sure it's Windows 7 or you will miss the start button!

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    Re: New PC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Applesquasher View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about, but thanks.

    ebuyer still offer Win7 as an option.
    Just bought one from Ebuyer with Win 7pro.......no probs works well.....big step up from elderly XP beginning to sink under the load of crud that seems to accumulate.
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    Re: New PC?

    Bought my last laptop through BT onlines shop, plenty choice, reasonably priced.
    Just looked they got 180 laptops with Windows 7 operating system.

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    Re: New PC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Applesquasher View Post
    My desktop has reached the point where it just aggravates me too much, so I need a new one before this one is taken outside and shot.

    Where do I get one from?
    This one is a Dell and has been OK but they seem a bit on the dear side now.
    eBuyer?
    Currys pc World?

    Next question. Which operating system? This one is on Vista but I doubt that is an option anymore.
    W7 pro? Or W8? Haven't heard anything good about W8 though.

    Don't need anything flash, I just browse the net, watch porn and stuff same as everyone.
    Where-ever you buy it, dont get Packhard (H)ell , nor one of the slimline desktops that are actually a laptop innards with separate keyb and screen (these types have an external power supply brick) .

    Ought to be i5, 8gb ram and DEFINATELY win7 home prem 64bit. You need not spend over 350 for this, recycling your existing screen (if currently 17" or bigger) and keyboard. A stupidly big hard disk is pointless; 500gb plenty- spend the cash on an effective backup instead and MS Office 2011.

    Personnally I never buy from the likes of Pissyworld etc.

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    Re: New PC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Timbo View Post
    Where-ever you buy it, dont get Packhard (H)ell , nor one of the slimline desktops that are actually a laptop innards with separate keyb and screen (these types have an external power supply brick) .

    Ought to be i5, 8gb ram and DEFINATELY win7 home prem 64bit. You need not spend over 350 for this, recycling your existing screen (if currently 17" or bigger) and keyboard. A stupidly big hard disk is pointless; 500gb plenty- spend the cash on an effective backup instead and MS Office 2011.

    Personnally I never buy from the likes of Pissyworld etc.
    They sometimes have very good deals. It is with peripherals like SD cards where they are over the top. Basically, use 'em or lose 'em. It would be a great shame if these shops closed and we had to buy everything unseen. I try and get a good price at a local shop, but if they are way out on price will buy off the internet. But always give local workers and shops a chance first. It lands up that purchases are about 50/50 local and internet these days for electrical goods.

    Bought another tablet last week, an iPad Mini this time, from the local PC World.
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    Re: New PC?

    Win7 Home would be OK and a bit cheaper than Pro. Don't know about 8.

    You could consider Overclockers (or similar). At least you (should presumably) get an original Windows setup disc.

    As above i5 and 8 gig of ram.

    SSD are a boon, but would start pushing the price up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbo View Post
    Where-ever you buy it, dont get Packhard (H)ell , nor one of the slimline desktops that are actually a laptop innards with separate keyb and screen (these types have an external power supply brick) .

    Ought to be i5, 8gb ram and DEFINATELY win7 home prem 64bit. You need not spend over 350 for this, recycling your existing screen (if currently 17" or bigger) and keyboard. A stupidly big hard disk is pointless; 500gb plenty- spend the cash on an effective backup instead and MS Office 2011.

    Personnally I never buy from the likes of Pissyworld etc.
    That has to be the worst advice I have ever seen.
    The cost difference in HD capacity is negligible.
    Go for the biggest HD that you can find at a reasonable cost compared to a tiddly 500gb.
    2TB Hd's are not out of the way now.
    Split the disk, one part for only the operating systems and programs....the other for all your stuff that you cannot buy anywhere.
    Your Photos....Music...... Work stuff etc. etc.
    Every computer I have ever had, has had to be scrapped because of the HD being too small to sustain the operating system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    Win7 Home would be OK and a bit cheaper than Pro. Don't know about 8.

    You could consider Overclockers (or similar). At least you (should presumably) get an original Windows setup disc.

    As above i5 and 8 gig or ram.

    SSD are a boon, but would start pushing the price up.
    Again the cost diff between Win Home and 64 bit Pro is negligible....you may never use the extras in Pro but they are there and to some degree will help with future proofing.
    As I remember Pro has the ability to handle files created in a previous version of Microsoft . E.g. XP etc.
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    Re: New PC?

    As some have said, good processor i5 and as much RAM as could be afforded, 64 bit Windows will mean you can have more than 4GB of RAM so you can upgrade later.

    Win 7 is still available everywhere if you want it. Solid state disk are faster but as with all things have cons as well as pro's, get a decent size if you can. the smaller the unit the less airflow inside so temp's can rise and not do any good, if you have the space have a 'normal size' base unit.

    Most new machines come with loads of 'bloatware' stuff thee manufacturer puts on to help this and that but in reality slow down the start up of the machine. Try not to install every 'toolbar' from net as these meddle around with internet explorer. Internet explorer 10 is rubbish at the minute, we rolled back to 9 on our networks till its fixed.

    Free antivirus can turn quick stations into slow coaches, although tweaking the settings can help.

    Fully agree with splitting the Hard Disk into two partitions, windows in one and your data in the other, this way if windows messes up you can reinstall windows and keep you data. In windows 7 the backup tool is good, for backing upto a external hard drive, well worth it. If you backup, you dont tend to need the backup.

    As for machine brands, HP/Compaq are reliable we use Novatech as well on our networks but think about what warranty comes with it, investing in an extended one is a good idea.

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    Re: New PC?

    I bought a new one from Chillblast late last year, and did rather enjoy customising it.
    For example I specced a 'better' monitor, but had my own speakers and did not want webcam and some other peripherals.
    Operating system is whatever you want and Windows7 64 bit is probably the best option on a desktop.

    (e.g. consider) http://www.chillblast.com/Chillblast...-Neutrino.html

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    Thanks all, it is much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    That has to be the worst advice I have ever seen.
    The cost difference in HD capacity is negligible.
    Go for the biggest HD that you can find at a reasonable cost compared to a tiddly 500gb.
    2TB Hd's are not out of the way now.
    Split the disk, one part for only the operating systems and programs....the other for all your stuff that you cannot buy anywhere.
    Your Photos....Music...... Work stuff etc. etc.

    Every computer I have ever had, has had to be scrapped because of the HD being too small to sustain the operating system.
    gee
    That has to be the worst advice I've ever seen!!!!!!!! So if/when the HDD fails with your irreplaceable photos...music...work stuff on it, you do what exactly?!

    NEVER keep important stuff on the same physical drive as the OS, partitioned or otherwise.

    A 250gb drive is ample for the OS, by all means fit a 2tb drive for everything else.

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    Re: New PC?

    I changed mine the tail end of last year. Quad core processor, 8 Gb ram running windows 7 professional. I decided to go for a solid state drive to run my os and programmes (boots to home page from cold in under 30 seconds) but files are on a 1Tb hard drive as first born advised me that there are still some issues with degradation in ssd especially if it is constantly being write/read. Cost less than 450 including a 22" monitor from Dino PC. Auto back up to an external Tb hard wired into usb 3 port drive and cloud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbo View Post
    That has to be the worst advice I've ever seen!!!!!!!! So if/when the HDD fails with your irreplaceable photos...music...work stuff on it, you do what exactly?!

    NEVER keep important stuff on the same physical drive as the OS, partitioned or otherwise.

    A 250gb drive is ample for the OS, by all means fit a 2tb drive for everything else.
    Recover it from your external backup drive.....
    Or in the case of Fire etc from your pretty freely available cloud storage.
    Nothing slows a computer down faster than a clogged up HD.
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    Re: New PC?

    ...or you could keep your existing PC, install a decent Linux OS (openSuse, Mint, etc.) for free and it will be hugely faster than it was with Vista on it.

    ......and hugely less susceptible to viruses with no AV required.

    ......and your disk won't fragment anywhere near as fast, if at all.


    Posted on an old Toshiba laptop runnung openSUSE 12.3.

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    Re: New PC?

    It's not a bad idea to play about with, but you'd still have outdated hardware, video cards and such.
    With computers, like anything else if you don't update every few years you end up with a load of cr*p

    It would run well on a clean install of Windows7 or back to out of the box Vista too.
    Linux can be hugely frustrating, I found on trying it I spent more time googling how to do things than using it.
    But I'm an intensive user. If you just wanted to surf and email that's easy enough.

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    Re: New PC?

    I did do a clean install of Vista recently, didn't improve anything and as ever took an age to complete.
    I think I have decided to replace it, a little bit just for the sake of it I guess. Missus reckons it's about 6 years old so considering I spend way too much time on it I can't complain.
    Yes it will chug away for a long time yet I guess but I want something better than that. At the moment i often turn to the ipad instead because it is quicker.

    Having said all that, tonight I bought a new wifi network adapter, that appears to have made a big difference. Perhaps it was just the card playing up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
    It's not a bad idea to play about with, but you'd still have outdated hardware, video cards and such.
    With computers, like anything else if you don't update every few years you end up with a load of cr*p
    Actually I don't agree with all of this. With most things, maintenance excepted, years down the line it should still do roughly what it did when you bought it.

    The problem I have with Windows is that when bought a PC may well run ok but, after numerous 'updates' they crawl. Even after a full re-install, once updated you are back to crawling. I have two almost identical PC's in the office. One running Linux, the other WinXP. Both clean installs. The difference between them is staggering.

    Yes, Linux can be frustrating on occasions but that is improving greatly. Most hardware is supported out of the box without tedious driver searching or installing.

    Considering the vast majority of it is free, it makes M$ offerings quite laughable IMHO and I fail to see what you get for the outlay apart from what appears to be a built in update scheme to slowly drag your PC down to a standstill.

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    An i3 processor will be ample for many users. As a rule if you don't know the difference between an i3 and i5 then you won't need or notice it anyway. W7 or W8, well hell, get W8 now, at least you know it is likely to have legacy updates and will be supported with future hardware and software etc.

    Don't use IE, ever.
    Do use third party anti-virus programs, either free or paid for.
    Do not partition hard drives. It is pointless. You are far better to have a second drive to store things, so that you can do clean installs of the OS if required whilst keeping important stuff. If something is very valuable, family photos and the like, burn them to a DVD or CD and store them on the shelf in a jewel case where they will survive almost anything apart from a nuclear war, or upload them to a cloud or something. Maybe use network attached storage or something.

    I don't know what you guys are going to fill a 500GB HDD but I am an avid steam user and gamer and I can tell you 500GB is a bloody lot of data. Typical OS and other apps might use 100GB, I dread to think what you are storing on your machines which might be a clue as to why people here complain about their machines being slow.

    Processor speed in a modern computer is now largely a figure of no real significance, processors are now so quick that they spent a lot of time waiting for mechanical hard drives to deliver them the data they want at a rather leisurely pace. This is where a solid state hard drive with the ability to dish in or out about 500mb/sec comes in. Suddenly windows will boot in about 20 seconds, and shut down in 10. Windows updates take about 30 seconds once downloaded, restarts are fast, antivirus scans take mere minutes and all your favourite programs load and are ready to use as fast as you can click a mouse. Best brands? Samsung or Intel. And don't invest in one unless it is 128GB in size or bigger.

    As for the original post, ebuyer, novatech, overclockers, I've posted the same a dozen times. You don't want a webcam, SD card reader or any of that crap. You want a machine with a warranty and from a reputable company. I've spent hundreds if not thousands with these firms, and I can't remember the last time I used PC world for anything.

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    Some people are getting rather carried away here! The man wants a simple 350 computer to do basic computing stuff on and which isnt going to drive him up the wall. Much like my mother then...

    I would avoid W8 as it is very confusing and the whole concept is a terrible idea IMO. Very few, if any, companies are using it which should tell you everything you need to know.

    Processors are much of a muchness. 4GB of RAM is good, 500gb HD should be fine. Other than that what more do you want?

    If you can afford it then a Solid State Drive (SSD) is a fantastic investment but the larger capacity ones are very expensive. I run a small SSD in the laptop and store all my media files on an external HD. Thats the most cost efficient way of doing it, but for most people they just want one hard drive, in which case SSD's are silly money.

    Ebuyer are a good company to deal with and fine on price. PC World do serve a purpose and are fine to use too, although every computer they sell comes with W8.

    Here you go - W7 Professional, 2.9Ghz processor, 4GB ram and 500GB. For 340 delivered. Lenovo are what used to be IBM and are highly regarded by business users.
    http://www.ebuyer.com/429758-lenovo-...esktop-rcfavuk

    Or what about this for 150!!! No operating system, so go and buy a copy of W7 and put that on. The processor maybe isnt so good, but do you really need a high end processor to do Word docs and surfing the net?
    http://www.ebuyer.com/407538-zoostor...p-pc-7873-1076


    The reality is that most computers now, even entry level ones will do far more than the average user is capable to making them do! Even as a fairly tech-savvy and avid computer users my 5 year old laptop is still more than capable of keeping up with me. Okay, its had a small upgrade here and there, but considerably cheaper than buying a new system.

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    Re: New PC?

    I would always say, aim for a fast (intel) processor and the more RAM the better really, especially for multi-tasking.

    You are right to try and stick with Windows 7, as windows 8 is far too much of a learning curve at the moment.

    Like someone else said, you do not need a massive Hard Drive, 500GB will take a while to fill!

    Another question you need to ask is this - do I need a new monitor, keyboard etc or just a new PC box?

    Sometimes you can pick up just the PC base for much less than a complete package, sometimes the packages are much better value for money.

    Have you considered EBay? you can find some decent PC bases on there that have been upgraded to a decent spec, but for not bad money.

    Here are some suggestions for you:




    At the end of the day, only you can decide what suits your budget/preferences/requirements.

    I would avoid PC World (in store), they do not listen to what you want and have a poor service reputation.

    You are much better with online sellers such as eBuyer, Dabs or even PC World Business

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    I have no clue what you guys are storing or hording on your hard drives where you are getting slow downs due to them becoming full, much less because they need defragging.

    By the sounds of it, it is more likely you have accumulated a heap of bloatware, viruses, klingons and other carp on your machine and in the registry and startup folders.

    I had the same PC for over 3 years in my office and it never slowed down and it was hardly a first rate machine when I inherited it. Ditto my laptop. Simply running AV, malwarebytes and CCleaner routinely sorted it, as well as leaving it to do up dates to the OS, Java, browsers etc as required.

    I just cannot see what programs you guys are running or what you are storing on your machines to fill a 500GB drive. 10 GB will store the worlds supply of Excel and word documents, and several hundred photos of average res, you can't possibly need to store porn on your machine given how freely available it is online, and likewise obtaining pirate software or other media is just a grade A way to pick up viruses and exotic malicious software.

    You must be very careful about what you install or download on your machines, and even more careful with how it is removed or uninstalled.

    Also, for the average user, you'll never notice the difference between an AMD or intel system. Processors these days are stupidly fast, hard drives however, have remained the same.

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    Re: New PC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    I have no clue what you guys are storing or hording on your hard drives where you are getting slow downs due to them becoming full, much less because they need defragging.

    By the sounds of it, it is more likely you have accumulated a heap of bloatware, viruses, klingons and other carp on your machine and in the registry and startup folders.

    I had the same PC for over 3 years in my office and it never slowed down and it was hardly a first rate machine when I inherited it. Ditto my laptop. Simply running AV, malwarebytes and CCleaner routinely sorted it, as well as leaving it to do up dates to the OS, Java, browsers etc as required.

    I just cannot see what programs you guys are running or what you are storing on your machines to fill a 500GB drive. 10 GB will store the worlds supply of Excel and word documents, and several hundred photos of average res, you can't possibly need to store porn on your machine given how freely available it is online, and likewise obtaining pirate software or other media is just a grade A way to pick up viruses and exotic malicious software.

    You must be very careful about what you install or download on your machines, and even more careful with how it is removed or uninstalled.

    Also, for the average user, you'll never notice the difference between an AMD or intel system. Processors these days are stupidly fast, hard drives however, have remained the same.
    Either they fill it up with films or very long videos or they are talking rollicks I reckon. This Apple iMac has both W7 and Mountain Lion operating systems, thousands of photos, lots of programs and data, some of it being legacy data from several previous generations of machines, lots of music, is used daily and is on 24 hours a day, yet its 500GB drive is only about a third full. It even has the telly on half its screen and constantly tapes the viewed broadcast so I can move back or pause any time I like. I don't store much broadcast or commercial video though. All but half an hour of video permanently stored is that which I have taken on various cameras.
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    Re: New PC?

    210gb of 455gb available (10gb partition for recovery) is what I have.

    Thanks for all your help and advice, it is appreciated.
    As I said a few posts back, I replaced the pci network card with a usb device and the whole thing has been running fine since.
    So much so that I had totally forgot about thinking of replacing the pc.

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