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    Scottish independence

    The debate is beginning in earnest,I just wonder how many english people would vote for Scotland to be independent????????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmernocows View Post
    The debate is beginning in earnest,I just wonder how many english people would vote for Scotland to be independent????????????
    I for one would that the union remain whole, we are a small country and chopping it to pieces surely cannot be beneficial in the long run. If AS succeeds does it pave the way for Wales, NI and then the Isle of White? It is a shame that London based govts over the years have been in part to blame for the need for this to get this far. Perhaps I am too naive.
    I also think that any economies (that is almost a laugh) of scale that might be derived in the public sector will be considerably reduced by full devolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farmernocows View Post
    The debate is beginning in earnest,I just wonder how many english people would vote for Scotland to be independent????????????
    The answer to that, if you live here, is that you keep your mouth firmly shut!

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    Re: Scottish independence

    Quote Originally Posted by essexpete View Post
    I for one would that the union remain whole we are a small country and chopping it to pieces surely cannot be beneficial in the long run. If AS succeeds does it pave the way for Wales, NI and then the Isle of White? It is a shame that London based govts over the years have been in part to blame for the need for this to get this far. Perhaps I am too naive.
    I also think that any economies (that is almost a laugh) of scale that might be derived in the public sector will be considerably reduced by full devolution.
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    FYI. Its only residents of this fair and precious land that can vote so your point is hypothetical.
    It is however a demonstration of democracy something we (UK) seem determined to impose on various nations across the world. Here's our idea of a democratic system accept it or we'll bomb the shit out of you. Witness Iraq, Afghanistan.
    A strange paradox, we send young boys to die in these far off places in the name of freedom but throw the toys out of the pram when the Scots (who by the way have reached this point not by the call to arms but by legitimate democratic process) seek the same self determination and 'freedom'
    It is a further irony that our friends in the south complain about the cost of supporting the scots and for that matter anyone who lives north of Watford yet when we decide we shall leave have all manner of threats fired at us concerning financial disaster. The world will not end, no one will die. We may end up with a shit hole but it will be our shit hole and quite frankly if you don't like it you can all piss off.
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    totally in favour of independence for Scotland and England

    Scotland needs to be independent to grow as a nation, build self confidence and put economic policies in place designed for Scotland rather than London

    England deserves to be independent to have their own parliament looking after themselves and be a country where people can be proud to be English and call themselves English without small minded brits whining that they should be saying british all the time instead of English

    bring it on

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    If the scots want to go it alone then they should, they will trade with England where it suits and vice-versa. I agree that if London played the game with a more fair hand then none of this would have happened. Crikey Cumbria is in England and we didn't get a single event of any description during the Olympics. The SE is too greedy by along way or we in the north are too crap at fighting our corner. Not surprisingly I have just as strong an affinity with with people north of the border as down south, Glasgow and Edinburgh are nearer than London.

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    Re: Scottish independence

    By how much will my tax bill drop if I no longer have to fund the Scots?

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    As I understand it, anyone registered to vote in Scotland, is, for the purpose of the referendum, a Scot and is therefore entitled to vote. I heard on the TV yesterday that all Scots living abroad can also vote, except those living in the rest of the UK. In terms of the referendum, what qualifies anyone living abroad to be a Scot?

    As Independence will have a negative effect on the rest of the UK, we should all have a vote; at least those Scots living in the rest of GB. To give a vote to anyone abroad who can claim some sort of Scottish descent is silly. We all know that many Americans of Irish descent gave support to the IRA without understanding the true situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy Sod View Post
    As I understand it, anyone registered to vote in Scotland, is, for the purpose of the referendum, a Scot and is therefore entitled to vote. I heard on the TV yesterday that all Scots living abroad can also vote, except those living in the rest of the UK. In terms of the referendum, what qualifies anyone living abroad to be a Scot?

    As Independence will have a negative effect on the rest of the UK, we should all have a vote; at least those Scots living in the rest of GB. To give a vote to anyone abroad who can claim some sort of Scottish descent is silly. We all know that many Americans of Irish descent gave support to the IRA without understanding the true situation.


    you heard wrong, or the person on tv was ignorant, scots living abroad are not entitled to vote. only people of any nationality living in Scotland can vote

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    Being part Scot, I will be very sad to see the break up of the Union. Sadly as in all politics many lies have and will be told about both advantage and disadvantage. I very much doubt either country will benefit as I think the biggest gainers will be politicians.
    strangely the Scots always blame the southern conservatives for their ills, but Alex Salmond is hardly left wing. I think we will be the winners though if they do go it alone, as we will lose the huge labour bias in our parliament, from north of the border.
    i certainly won't be crowing though.
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    am i right in thinking i/we would need a new passport if this goes through? whats that, 70 gone straight away?

    sick of the whole thing now, be glad it will all be over in a years time, the whole independence debate and the scottish parlaiment for that matter is just a waste of money and should be scrapped. tin hat on....

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    totally in favour of independence for Scotland and England

    Scotland needs to be independent to grow as a nation, build self confidence and put economic policies in place designed for Scotland rather than London

    England deserves to be independent to have their own parliament looking after themselves and be a country where people can be proud to be English and call themselves English without small minded brits whining that they should be saying british all the time instead of English

    bring it on
    Reading a statement like the one you have came out with absolutely amazes me. especially when on a farming website. im not name calling by any means, but im hoping i can make you think about thinks in a different way.

    lots of countries have joined the EU, basically to become a bigger voice, easier trade aswell as military benefits. Scotland becomeing independant completely goes against the think of a large number of countries. You do realise, that scotland becoming independent will not be part of the EU. NO FARM PAYMENTS! are english neighbors will have farm payments, along with more favorable growing conditions. very likely cheaper imputs. if you think the brazilian beef imports where bad for the uk. i think things will get a whole lot worse.

    I see that Scotland intends to keep sterling as its currency. If you independence desire is about childish patriotism, are you really going to be pleased to see a picture of the Queen on your hard earned cash. Why can people not just be proud to say the belong to the Great British Empire, after all, Great Britain was amazing.

    It has widely been documented that the uncertainty of Scotland becoming independent has delayed companies investing in scotland due to the uncertainty of whats going to happen. i dont think that will disappear come the 14 of Sept.

    im by no means an expert. but i cant see one single benefit from becoming independant

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    Quote Originally Posted by topground View Post
    By how much will my tax bill drop if I no longer have to fund the Scots?
    I hate to tell you this but your tax bill will go up as we won't be subsidising you anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LALANS View Post
    I hate to tell you this but your tax bill will go up as we won't be subsidising you anymore.
    .......................................but we'll still love you
    Not entirely true as a lot of the national debt will be offloaded , a figure that has not yet been fully calculated. Very nave of anyone to believe it will be in anyway favourable as in any divorce settlement.
    Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.

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    Re: Scottish independence

    Quote Originally Posted by hoff135 View Post
    am i right in thinking i/we would need a new passport if this goes through? whats that, 70 gone straight away?

    sick of the whole thing now, be glad it will all be over in a years time, the whole independence debate and the scottish parlaiment for that matter is just a waste of money and should be scrapped. tin hat on....
    Completely agree with you Hoff

    Once everyone has voted to stay in the UK will Alex the pie man Salmon respect the democratic process and abolish the SNP disappearing into the sunset with his gold plated pension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LALANS View Post
    FYI. Its only residents of this fair and precious land that can vote so your point is hypothetical.
    What so there are no English residents of your "fair and precious land"?

    There will be 100's of 1000's of English votes in the referendum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark5335 View Post
    Reading a statement like the one you have came out with absolutely amazes me. especially when on a farming website. im not name calling by any means, but im hoping i can make you think about thinks in a different way.

    lots of countries have joined the EU, basically to become a bigger voice, easier trade aswell as military benefits. Scotland becomeing independant completely goes against the think of a large number of countries. You do realise, that scotland becoming independent will not be part of the EU. NO FARM PAYMENTS! are english neighbors will have farm payments, along with more favorable growing conditions. very likely cheaper imputs. if you think the brazilian beef imports where bad for the uk. i think things will get a whole lot worse.

    I see that Scotland intends to keep sterling as its currency. If you independence desire is about childish patriotism, are you really going to be pleased to see a picture of the Queen on your hard earned cash. Why can people not just be proud to say the belong to the Great British Empire, after all, Great Britain was amazing.

    It has widely been documented that the uncertainty of Scotland becoming independent has delayed companies investing in scotland due to the uncertainty of whats going to happen. i dont think that will disappear come the 14 of Sept.

    im by no means an expert. but i cant see one single benefit from becoming independant

    youre not a liberal democrat by any chance? your scare mongering nonsense would do Carmichael, moore, tavish and co proud

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    Re: Scottish independence

    i wonder where the RBS debt is going. Its a scottish bank after all

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoff135 View Post
    am i right in thinking i/we would need a new passport if this goes through? whats that, 70 gone straight away?

    sick of the whole thing now, be glad it will all be over in a years time, the whole independence debate and the scottish parlaiment for that matter is just a waste of money and should be scrapped. tin hat on....
    The White Paper today says you will be able to keep your British Passport if you wish to do so. You will also still be able to use the pound sterling at your local corner shop, your laws will still be passed by Brussels, and your monetary policy will still be dictated by the Bank of England.

    That's an ideal world view from the SNP. Back in the real world: the EU 27 will not vote to let Scotland rejoin the EU without adopting the Euro, so actually we would have less fiscal independence than we have now. We would also become the most indebted country in the Eurozone per head of population after taking on a population based share of the UK national debt. We would also have to pay much more interest on that debt than the UK currently pays on it's debt, due to the inevitable downgrading of an independent Scotland's credit rating from AA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark5335 View Post
    i wonder where the RBS debt is going. Its a scottish bank after all
    It's actually a global bank (at one point the largest in the world), with many many more assets, liabilities and business in the rUK than in Scotland.

    Scotland would take on a population based share of the UK national debt: 1,400Bn (some of which was raked up bailing out that bank)

    Depending on the terms of the hypothetical post referendum negotiations, if Scotland took on a population based share of the UK government shares in the bank, the Scottish government would own around 8% of the shares in the bank and the UK government would own around 72% of the shares in the bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    It's actually a global bank (at one point the largest in the world), with many many more assets, liabilities and business in the rUK than in Scotland.

    Scotland would take on a population based share of the UK national debt: 1,400Bn (some of which was raked up bailing out that bank)

    Depending on the terms of the hypothetical post referendum negotiations, if Scotland took on a population based share of the UK government shares in the bank, the Scottish government would own around 8% of the shares in the bank and the UK government would own around 72% of the shares in the bank.



    is that the same method they use for dividing up any oil reserves?? what happens them?
    RBS is registered in Edinburgh with company's house. a quick google

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    Sorry, I got this thread and the "joke of the day" thread muddled up!

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    The whole business is a waste of money,time and effort.The SNP bitch about Westminster being out of touch constantly,the rest of Scotland bitches about Holyrood being out of touch with them.Councils can't even keep public toilets open in Perthshire,and Stirling.Holyrood don't care.Since that wretched building was put up we in rural areas have seen reduced Ambulance cover,reduced Police cover and reduced Fire cover.Roads are falling apart,villages losing shops,agriculture reducing,people and livestock leaving the hills,rural schools closing,reduced public services and the latest idea,dustbin collections once a month.And the SNP have the effrontery to publish a political manifesto masquerading as a government white paper using public money.God help us because the English,Welsh and N.Irish won't.

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    Scottish, Irish, Welsh, go with my blessing. Couldn't give a monkeys. Good bye labour and the closet socialists forever. I can hardly wait.

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    Well being a Devon boy married to a Glasgow girl I think it would be a sad day. I'm a bit tired of all the moaning about the English, the closet hatred etc. etc. all meant in jest of course. He he, ha ha, hmmm. But the Scots have been as big a part of Great Britain as anyone. London and the South east in general get on most people's knackers but they can't help it. It's just they way they are.

    We'll all be a bit poorer if we split up.

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    Going by size of the Population New Zealand is a smaller country than Scotland and Wales is smaller than both of them.

    However, Yorkshire has more inhabitants than any of the above, and that is not counting the illegal immigrants

    Home Rule for Yorkshire

    But seriously I would find it a sad day were the UK to become the Dis-United Kingdom.

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    If the majority of the Scots are silly enough to allow themselves to get dragged in to independence by a media savvy megalomaniac then they deserve the outcome, simple as that.

    Even the crowd over here who terrorised and murdered for 20 or 30 years to get away from the rest of the UK have the wit to know what side their bread is buttered on and now manage to put on a very good display of wanting away while actually hanging on for grim death!

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    without trying to be inflammatorythat post WRSNI is not only very good but very true. we have nothing to gain by dividing the UK
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giles1 View Post
    The whole business is a waste of money,time and effort.The SNP bitch about Westminster being out of touch constantly,the rest of Scotland bitches about Holyrood being out of touch with them.Councils can't even keep public toilets open in Perthshire,and Stirling.Holyrood don't care.Since that wretched building was put up we in rural areas have seen reduced Ambulance cover,reduced Police cover and reduced Fire cover.Roads are falling apart,villages losing shops,agriculture reducing,people and livestock leaving the hills,rural schools closing,reduced public services and the latest idea,dustbin collections once a month.And the SNP have the effrontery to publish a political manifesto masquerading as a government white paper using public money.God help us because the English,Welsh and N.Irish won't.
    This is the best and most telling post on this thread.

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