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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasty View Post
    What will Aberdeen be when oil has gone?
    It will be just like Dundee but 65 miles further north.

    That's it decided then, I'm voting No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasty View Post

    What will Aberdeen be when oil has gone?
    what will the world be like when the oil is gone

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoff135 View Post
    what will the world be like when the oil is gone
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoff135 View Post
    what will the world be like when the oil is gone
    long before the oil runs out the emissions from what's already been burnt will probably lead to the sun 'toasting' us......that's if the scientists are right? but lets face it they're never wrong

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    Would independent Scotland outside of the EU mean border controls along Hadrains wall and a limit on the number of Jocks heading south?
    In fact such controls would be essential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spin cycle View Post
    long before the oil runs out the emissions from what's already been burnt will probably lead to the sun 'toasting' us......that's if the scientists are right? but lets face it they're never wrong
    the 97% scientists agree with AGW theory turns out was fake, 13% was the true figure, but don't get me started on that subject.

    the only good result of independence is the end of labour in England. Yes oil is still being found, but each find is more expensive than the last. How long, as fracking & US imports starting will it be before NS oil is no longer economic. Perhaps we could send Scotland all our unused Monopoly money for them to use till they join the Euro.

    I doubt the the bird chomping bat exploding, wind turbines will keep their lights on for long despite as Salmonds promises.

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    Re: Scottish independence

    there's more chance of an independent Scotland inside the eu and England being the country that's voted itself out

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    Quote Originally Posted by beeker View Post
    there's more chance of an independent Scotland inside the eu and England being the country that's voted itself out
    It works either way, a win win for England!

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    Quote Originally Posted by topground View Post
    Would independent Scotland outside of the EU mean border controls along Hadrains wall and a limit on the number of Jocks heading south?
    In fact such controls would be essential.
    what about border controls to stop us english escaping to salmond's socialist utopia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spin cycle View Post
    what about border controls to stop us english escaping to salmond's socialist utopia?
    Like escaping to E. Germany but with whiskey

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    Quote Originally Posted by spin cycle View Post
    what about border controls to stop us english escaping to salmond's socialist utopia?
    that may turn out to be nearer the mark than the the right wing Englishman would like to admit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giles1 View Post
    The whole business is a waste of money,time and effort.The SNP bitch about Westminster being out of touch constantly,the rest of Scotland bitches about Holyrood being out of touch with them.Councils can't even keep public toilets open in Perthshire,and Stirling.Holyrood don't care.Since that wretched building was put up we in rural areas have seen reduced Ambulance cover,reduced Police cover and reduced Fire cover.Roads are falling apart,villages losing shops,agriculture reducing,people and livestock leaving the hills,rural schools closing,reduced public services and the latest idea,dustbin collections once a month.And the SNP have the effrontery to publish a political manifesto masquerading as a government white paper using public money.God help us because the English,Welsh and N.Irish won't.
    Devolution has delivered all this, plus the money-pit that is the Edinburgh area, powerless councils and MSPs who routinely ignore the wishes of the Scottish people. ''Scots in an independent Scotland making decisions that shape the future?" As if! Not a cat's chance in hell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoff135 View Post
    what will the world be like when the oil is gone
    Much like England and the rest of Europe I suspect.

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    I will be sad to see Scotland go, a country I love and a people I admire. They did a huge amount in building a civilised world throughout the BRITISH Empire. I shall also be sad as I will be doomed to never knowing the truth about what is beneath the Scotsmans kilt.

    However, bring on independence, then we can have booze runs for whiskey bought in devalued euros

    Jack Caley

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    I will be sad to see Scotland go, a country I love and a people I admire. They did a huge amount in building a civilised world throughout the BRITISH Empire. I shall also be sad as I will be doomed to never knowing the truth about what is beneath the Scotsmans kilt.

    However, bring on independence, then we can have booze runs for whiskey bought in devalued euros

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    Drop in anytime you will be most welcome. Unless someone digs a ditch from the Solway to the Berwick and we drift off to warmer climes I think we will still be here.
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    I was always told you could tell a true McDonald by lifting his kilt and seeing if he had a quarter pounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beeker View Post
    there's more chance of an independent Scotland inside the eu and England being the country that's voted itself out


    Quite.

    The SNP is determined to leave the UK but stay in the EU, but could find themselves in 2017 still part of the UK and voted out of the EU by middle England..... a bloody bad place to be IMO.
    If in doubt, yank it out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nithsdale Farmer View Post
    Quite.

    The SNP is determined to leave the UK but stay in the EU, but could find themselves in 2017 still part of the UK and voted out of the EU by middle England..... a bloody bad place to be IMO.
    True.
    There is of course no guarantee of an SNP Government. Should we become independent a general election will have to be held and Scottish Labour or any other party left wing enough to attract the masses will be in charge.

    Independence will spell the end for the SNP as it is now and it will likely split into it's left and right wing parts. Only thing a lot in the party have in common with each other is a desire for independence. Gain that and they'll soon be at each others throats.

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    is it over as a contest?....salmond fails in tv debate on pound & eu membership and the 'no' vote surges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spin cycle View Post
    is it over as a contest?....salmond fails in tv debate on pound & eu membership and the 'no' vote surges?
    Hope so. SNP have been great for our devolved government, but independence is a BIG step too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by collies View Post
    Hope so. SNP have been great for our devolved government, but independence is a BIG step too far.
    nonsense, independence is on!

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    The longer devolution goes on here, the less and less merit I see in it. Rather than issues being dealt way, they are instead used as political missiles which the local politicians fire at each aether. There is no more achieved than when we had direct rule, in fact, things happen more slowly. The only benefit is that it makes the bad yins mer inclined tae keep their guns in their pockets as long as they think they are taking on a bit of control from London. As one of the 'costs' of the so-called peace, we just have to thole it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spin cycle View Post
    is it over as a contest?....salmond fails in tv debate on pound & eu membership and the 'no' vote surges?
    Dont you believe it. The NO vote is not surging - would say things are static on both sides. The currency issue is a huge storm in a tea cup - NO have lost sight of the fact the plan after YES is to use the wether in a currency union or not, and are protesting that without a currency union it can not be used. There is also no debate on EU membership, as the NO camp tell us the only way to stay in EU is to vote NO, even though against Scotlands will England voters could (and probably will) take the UK out of the EU in 2017. Also the things Boris is saying confirms to me how important we leave the UK.

    I until very recently didnt know what way to vote, but sure has hell there has been no argument of merit from Better Together asz to why we should remain in the UK.
    If in doubt, yank it out!

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    i googled an article that more/less said it was all over...22% surge...king alex floundered on currency/eu...darling hammered him

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    I just hope whatever happens is fair and democratic and our Scots friends get the outcome that most of them wish for. Breaking up is hard to do. My family is half Devon, half Blantyre so aside from sending the wife home so that she can't steal our English jobs any more, I hope it doesn't happen.

    I think what many Scots don't realise is that the majority of English people feel pretty much the same way about London and Westminster as you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spin cycle View Post
    i googled an article that more/less said it was all over...22% surge...king alex floundered on currency/eu...darling hammered him
    And Salmond was very restrained, and he didnt answer the currency point as well as he could, it certainly was no victory - for either side. Darling was as useless when he was pressed on what benefits Scotland would gain from remaining in the union. Its far from over.
    If in doubt, yank it out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasty View Post
    I just hope whatever happens is fair and democratic and our Scots friends get the outcome that most of them wish for. Breaking up is hard to do. My family is half Devon, half Blantyre so aside from sending the wife home so that she can't steal our English jobs any more, I hope it doesn't happen.

    I think what many Scots don't realise is that the majority of English people feel pretty much the same way about London and Westminster as you do.
    Most of us do relise that, what alot in England dont appreciate is that we have a real chance of change - something alot up here fell will not happen if something drastic doesnt happen. We hope it is a wake up call for Westminster, which will ring the changes to help everyone. Nothing will change if the people do not speak out.

    There is no ill feeling towards the people of England, Wales or Northern Ireland we are 'walking away from', it is squarely on the entire Westminster 'system'.
    If in doubt, yank it out!

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    i have a hunch it would be good for all concerned if scotland voted yes....but i've no idea why....be a fascinating episode in history

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    The majority of English people don't care. Voter apathy has been apparent in the last few elections. Regional or EU elections are abysmally attended.

    I detest seeing the financial waste Westminster produces. I have no idea why anyone would be in favour of a devolved government or regional parliaments. The total cost of these collections of civil servants must be astronomical.

    Couldn't give a hoot either way but I can't wait to see Salmond get his comeuppance.

    It is a pity for people who have business interests on both sides of the border, that is for sure.

    Interesting that both Shell and Chevron are either releasing assets or thinning their workforces and that the Ukrainian/Norway pipeline makes landfall up the road from Jack Caley rather than using the existing infrastructure in the north sea.

    Still, with Trident coming home the boys at Devonport will be pleased.

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    Trident comming home . You like that line dont you mayo youve used it before . And how exactly is england "home" for trident

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