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    Would it be in farmers interests to pay for TB control?

    Governance of strategy for controlling TB is critically important and is very rarely discussed. Unfortunately, badger culling is unpopular with the general public, and as years go by, opposition to it appears to be growing. This is why elected politicians in fear of losing votes tend to favour alternatives. Sadly for TB, government ministers currently set strategy because they are rightly responsible for how money in the public purse is spent.

    The AHVLA and universties can only work in areas which are funded and the bulk of these funds come from the public purse via ministers. An illustration of the impact of this process is shown below. See the statement highlighted in red made by Chief Vet Dr Christianne Glossop in conjunction with the u-turn performed by the government minister Alun Davies shown on the right.



    As such, although TB is a zoonotic pathogen, the AHVLA and universities are not going to do anything different to what they have been doing since the 70's/80's when I suspect research into practical ways of controlling TB in the UK started to lose focus. The only way these institutions are going to regain focus is if dogs, cats and humans start going down with the disease in numbers. As yet there is no indication that this is happening or ever will. In view of this, I think steps should be taken to take control of strategy out of the hands of ministers. The only way to do this is for the farmer industry as a whole to look at ways of going it alone in certain areas so that the role played by ministers are sidelined in these areas.

    One such area is the culling of badgers. A considerable amount of work is needed to develop technology needed to cull badgers both humanely and effectively before wide area roll out may be contemplated. Time to achieve this is likely to require several years. This is one area which has been and is currently receiving very little attention.


    Essentially if farmers are not prepared to pay and drive the program, there will be very little effort put into work in areas where progress is most needed.

    Are UK farmers going to be eternally snookered by fighting TB in small isolated groups or are they going to start organising themselves as farmers have done in New Zealand to achieve results needed to start turning things around?

    Has anyone any views on this?
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    Re: Would it be in farmers interests to pay for TB control?

    "Has anyone any views on this? "

    Yes. Let us get on with it ourselves.

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    Re: Would it be in farmers interests to pay for TB control?

    Quote Originally Posted by wr. View Post
    "Has anyone any views on this? "

    Yes. Let us get on with it ourselves.
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    Re: Would it be in farmers interests to pay for TB control?

    Quote Originally Posted by ssimples View Post
    This is already happening to a certain extent so how will this change anything?
    I agree with wr. But unfortunately, any success will be attributed to better cattle measures and bio-garbage. So we must have more of the same.
    All the world and his dog appear to have a view on zTB, but it mainly affects cattle farmers, and to a lesser extent alpaca, sheep, goat and pig enterprises. Pets and companion mammals are also involved, but to a lesser degree. (at the moment)

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    Re: Would it be in farmers interests to pay for TB control?

    Quote Originally Posted by matthew View Post
    I agree with wr. But unfortunately, any success will be attributed to better cattle measures and bio-garbage. So we must have more of the same.
    All the world and his dog appear to have a view on zTB, but it mainly affects cattle farmers, and to a lesser extent alpaca, sheep, goat and pig enterprises. Pets and companion mammals are also involved, but to a lesser degree. (at the moment)
    Absolutely NO to funding zTB control by a levy system and then bringing in hoardes of non-practical personnel to undertake the control at inflated cost.

    The need is to issue licenses to livestock keepers in affected areas and the surrounding areas and let them organize the "control" methods themselves for an initial 15 year period.

    Details of the "controls" undertaken to be analyzed very 5 years (not sooner) by the current crop of experts and the findings be sent to government purely as a record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Courier View Post
    Absolutely NO to funding zTB control by a levy system and then bringing in hoardes of non-practical personnel to undertake the control at inflated cost.

    The need is to issue licenses to livestock keepers in affected areas and the surrounding areas and let them organize the "control" methods themselves for an initial 15 year period.

    Details of the "controls" undertaken to be analyzed very 5 years (not sooner) by the current crop of experts and the findings be sent to government purely as a record.
    Apparently the only country to have in place a levy with an independent board is NZ where the program is world leading. The manager of the NZ program is Dr Paul Livingstone and he gives some details of their set up in the following link.

    http://www.bovinetb.info/docs/why-is...-bovine-tb.pdf

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    Re: Would it be in farmers interests to pay for TB control?

    Quote Originally Posted by matthew View Post
    I agree with wr. But unfortunately, any success will be attributed to better cattle measures and bio-garbage. So we must have more of the same.
    All the world and his dog appear to have a view on zTB, but it mainly affects cattle farmers, and to a lesser extent alpaca, sheep, goat and pig enterprises. Pets and companion mammals are also involved, but to a lesser degree. (at the moment)
    Many farmers understandably feel uncomfortable doing something which in practice is very challenging to do thoroughly without having to repeat the operation. Treatment locations are often in full view of neighbours or accessible to the public. In my view even if we did have more of the same, the nature of the task, the challenges involved, and limitations posed by circumstances mean that these operations will never reach a stage of reversing the current spread across the country.
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    Aren't we already partly funding TB control in the shape of pre-movement tests & the like?

    It doesn't matter who funds it, not much will happen until public opinion changes. We need to win the propaganda war against the badger lovers.

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    Re: Would it be in farmers interests to pay for TB control?

    Quote Originally Posted by wr. View Post
    "Has anyone any views on this? "

    Yes. Let us get on with it ourselves.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27433830

    A Freedom of Information request has shown tests using carbon monoxide have been taking place since last summer.

    The only way IMO.
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    Re: Would it be in farmers interests to pay for TB control?

    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27433830

    A Freedom of Information request has shown tests using carbon monoxide have been taking place since last summer.

    The only way IMO.
    Not before time. However a minister is very unlikely to sanction the gassing of real live badgers unless there are significant breakthroughs in getting gas to reach blind ends in complex tunnel systems. The chances of reaching this stage in various real setts, a minister giving the go-ahead to implement it in trials on real badgers, and then finally to implement it as a culling policy seem very poor to me.

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