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    7 th May ???

    Is it the elephant in the room on BFF because no one's said a word about it !
    Who's best for Agriculture ? Who's best for the UK and who's best for England ?
    I think if it was a bit like the USA where there was more people in a constituency the more it counted !

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    The answer to your question is VOTE CONSERVATIVE

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    Personally I think that the Lib-Dems have done as good a job as they could have hoped for keeping the Conservatives in check this past 5 years, but we cannot vote to keep the status-quo as we do not have proportional representation in this (dis)United Kingdom.
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    How much support would there be in England for a referendum to see if we would like to sever all ties with Scotland forthwith?
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    Terrifying thought that we are heading back to the Seventies!
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    Well both local candidates have been round in our parish,

    candidate 1. Was very polites had a bit of an Interest in me and my views and the views of the missus liked me dog and more Importantly being ex army recognised the regt plaque imbedded in the wall next to the back door,,

    candidate 2, was not so "polite" didn't seem to know too much about pheseant , didn't want to shake me hand as I was a bit dirty ( been dagging sheep and doing feet so had purple hands ) and he had scruffy shoes and a moustache,,

    candidate 1 will get my vote on 7th may,,, I will leave to sort which is Tory and which is labour,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Courier View Post
    Personally I think that the Lib-Dems have done as good a job as they could have hoped for keeping the Conservatives in check this past 5 years, but we cannot vote to keep the status-quo as we do not have proportional representation in this (dis)United Kingdom.
    Well I'm not voting for Status-Quo...........

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    I have lived through 2 sustained periods of Labour rule in this country, both ended in economic disaster which had to be cleared up by the following Conservative lead administration. This is excluding the short lived Heath administration..
    How short sighted can people be, when they look at the mess that governments create by spending money they have not got.
    Time and time again socialist politicians sell the idea to the public, that there is some secret money tree, just waiting to be harvested. There only answer to any problem is to borrow more money and throw it into that bottomless pit of public spending.
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    Re: 7 th May ???

    The U.K. has a National Debt of approximately 1,482,900,000. (1trillion, 482billion, and 900million). The current population is estimated to be 64.1M people of which 65 % are reckoned to be of working age (16-64). 65% of 64.1Million people = 41million and 665thousand people of working age.

    The National debt divided by those of a working age = 350,000 each (a very rounded figure). But not all of us are working. There are some who are not working (retirees etc.) but who do pay taxes but can anyone tell me what chance there is of this country ever paying off it's debt ?

    Just asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaza View Post
    The U.K. has a National Debt of approximately 1,482,900,000. (1trillion, 482billion, and 900million). The current population is estimated to be 64.1M people of which 65 % are reckoned to be of working age (16-64). 65% of 64.1Million people = 41million and 665thousand people of working age.

    The National debt divided by those of a working age = 350,000 each (a very rounded figure). But not all of us are working. There are some who are not working (retirees etc.) but who do pay taxes but can anyone tell me what chance there is of this country ever paying off it's debt ?

    Just asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timhaven View Post
    Well I'm not voting for Status-Quo...........
    Don't talk to either other now off stage .......... quite a parallel.

    SNP are the most dangerous thing to have happened to this election and it is amazing how many Labour supporters would be happy to have some sort of agreement with them.

    Plaid Cymru would probably offer farmers the best deal in Wales as most of their MPs/AMs are holding rural seats and frequently have their ears bent by NFU/FUW but as the local paper is running ads by the Green Party urging Welsh voters to vote Plaid, that will be a NO from me.

    Unfortunately there is no Official Monster Raving Loony Party candidate in my constituency so I think I will vote by eenie, meenie, minee, mo

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaza View Post
    The U.K. has a National Debt of approximately 1,482,900,000. (1trillion, 482billion, and 900million). The current population is estimated to be 64.1M people of which 65 % are reckoned to be of working age (16-64). 65% of 64.1Million people = 41million and 665thousand people of working age.

    The National debt divided by those of a working age = 350,000 each (a very rounded figure). But not all of us are working. There are some who are not working (retirees etc.) but who do pay taxes but can anyone tell me what chance there is of this country ever paying off it's debt ?

    Just asking.
    This figure is correct.
    Interestingly the portion owed created by the banking crisis, was 50billion
    ie. .3%
    so much for Labours claim that big business is to blame for all our problems

    The National debt was zero for part of Maggie Thatchers regime after inheriting a serious problem, so it can be sorted
    John Major left a very healthy economy which was on the up in 1997
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    I aren't voting for either but why are the greens so twisted up with extreme socialism?
    At least our local one is - maybe there are various versions of green party.

    Saw Scargill on TV yesterday and it's hard top believe anyone falls for lines like 90% tax on high earners to fund 25,000 pa minimum wage.
    How would that work exactly, does he really believe anyone would long put up with only keeping 1 in 10 they earn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewQman View Post
    The answer to your question is VOTE CONSERVATIVE
    Nah! Just vote early - and vote often!

    I have little time for UK voters who bellyache about their politicians, coz (from memory) only 44% of the population bothered to vote.

    Not like Aus, where we are required by law to attend the polling station & be recorded as doing so. Whether we vote, or not, or deface the paper in protest - is our business. Which means we can justifiably bellyache about our pollies.

    And I'm curious: is there much in the media about the centenary of the Galipolli landings? It's a circus here; the media is full of it, promoting the ANZAC "tradition".

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    Quote Originally Posted by john maddock View Post

    And I'm curious: is there much in the media about the centenary of the Galipolli landings? It's a circus here; the media is full of it, promoting the ANZAC "tradition".
    Sorry John, ANZAC hardly gets a mention over here, the British view of Twentieth Century history is dominated by the memoirs of Winston Churchill and Gallipoli was certainly not his finest hour. The only place it really gets appreciated is in the folk clubs When the Band Played Waltzing Matilda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom View Post
    Sorry John, ANZAC hardly gets a mention over here, the British view of Twentieth Century history is dominated by the memoirs of Winston Churchill and Gallipoli was certainly not his finest hour. The only place it really gets appreciated is in the folk clubs When the Band Played Waltzing Matilda.
    I'm thinking that's the way it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaza View Post
    The National debt divided by those of a working age = 350,000 each
    ... looked at that was I suppose the more migrants come into this country the lower our own personal indebtedness.

    If 100,000 people of working age came here last year I make that we are all 841 better off than we were.


    Do anyone have a list of to whom we owe all this money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
    I aren't voting for either but why are the greens so twisted up with extreme socialism?
    At least our local one is - maybe there are various versions of green party.

    Saw Scargill on TV yesterday and it's hard top believe anyone falls for lines like 90% tax on high earners to fund 25,000 pa minimum wage.
    How would that work exactly, does he really believe anyone would long put up with only keeping 1 in 10 they earn.
    But that's the trouble 4wd.

    30 years ago he managed to convince the miners, the public and even one or two intelligent people that higher wages, bigger pension contributions from the employer & a 3 day working week was good for business, good for jobs & good for the country.
    The very worrying thing is that there are still people that believe he was right !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoaktree View Post
    I think if it was a bit like the USA where there was more people in a constituency the more it counted!
    ... for those in a 'safe' constituency who think their vote won't be counted might want to consider vote swapping:
    http://www.swapmyvote.uk/

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom View Post
    Sorry John, ANZAC hardly gets a mention over here, the British view of Twentieth Century history is dominated by the memoirs of Winston Churchill and Gallipoli was certainly not his finest hour. The only place it really gets appreciated is in the folk clubs When the Band Played Waltzing Matilda.
    Not strictly true Tom our local paper is today carrying a piece about the Gallipoli landings although I would agree that it does not have the resonance of the Somme, Ypres etc.
    Churchill was deeply disturbed at his greatest mistake and of course left Parliament for the Front in France. How many politicians would even resign today.
    It is widely acknowledged that Churchill was reluctant to push forward the Normandy landings, which Stalin would have liked to have been a year earlier. He did this after his part in Gallipoli, however we were certainly in no position to have done it any earlier, and the result would certainly have been extremely costly.
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    Vote for big Dave ! He seams to be the least bad ! Not a very good indicator of our great leaders .
    Problem is up here in't North like ! Put a monkey in a safe labour seat and they'd still vote for it .

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    One of my many problems is that I was brought up to be very frugal. It was a neccessity, we didn't have any money. But a lot weren't. And for a couple of years before the crash the man on the Clapham omnibus was borrowing up to his eyeballs. His house was "appreciating" in value by 10k/month and the banks were chucking money about like confetti and people borrowed far too much for all the wrong reasons. I wouldn't mind betting that most in the farming World weren't taken in by all the talk, after all, we see bad times on a regular basis. Most of us have got both feet on the floor.

    But isn't this country in the same position now as the man on the Clapham omnibus was then ? But some politicians are still advocating "borrow more", "less of the austerity" ! There is no doubt that a lot of people have been hurt by the austerity that has happened in the last 5 years, and in many cases it has been innocent people who have suffered for other people's mistakes. But our National Debt is still increasing year on year. The vaguely good news is that the U.K . is starting to borrow less each year than we used to.

    Well, whoopy doo. That's alright then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exfarmer View Post
    Not strictly true Tom our local paper is today carrying a piece about the Gallipoli landings although I would agree that it does not have the resonance of the Somme, Ypres etc.
    Churchill was deeply disturbed at his greatest mistake and of course left Parliament for the Front in France. How many politicians would even resign today.
    It is widely acknowledged that Churchill was reluctant to push forward the Normandy landings, which Stalin would have liked to have been a year earlier. He did this after his part in Gallipoli, however we were certainly in no position to have done it any earlier, and the result would certainly have been extremely costly.
    I would question the suggestion that Churchill was at fault. The losses that the navy suffered that led to the landings and so the mass casualties was the Fault of the Navy, not the planning. The battleships followed the same route to attack the defences time and time again. This was noticed by the defenders, so overnight they laid lots of mines in the path the navy was following, sinking several ships.

    if the captains were more careful, there may never have been the disaster that Churchill was blamed. Also the head of the Navy HATED Churchill, so there was method in the madness.

    As far as May7 is concerned, there will be a minority Tory government, or a Lib Tory government again. So the mad (Ed Davey) energy policy will succeed in killing lots of people during the next cold winter. Energy policy of UKIP is probably the one thing that UKIP has spot on.

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    A fair bit about Gallipoli in the news today.

    I think Labour should join in a coalition with the Conservatives. It would keep out those dreadful SNP Scots, and the Welsh, Irish, Greens, Liberals and UKIP from having any influence. Everyone's a winner, NHS would be safe, armed Forces safe, no exit from the EU so business would be happy. Nothing whatsoever would get done but that's nothing new.
    After all we are all "British" aren't we....we all want the best for our country....................don't we?

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    The Green party and the SNP are both determined that increasing the Public sector will be the country's salvation.

    Will someone tell them that while the public-sector employees pay tax like the rest of us, their tax doesn't
    contribute to the Government coffers - simply because the Government gives them their gross pay with one hand
    and takes their tax back with the other.

    The only folk who pay real income tax are those in the private sector. And the bigger the public sector, the smaller the private sector.

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    Actually none of them.
    Politicians have an unbelievable arrogance in thinking that 'we' the populace can not manage without their guidance. The more the buggers leave us alone the better we will all get on.
    Lying bastards everyone.

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    I wish we had the chance to vote for those who actually do run the country and that ain't the puppet politicians!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyce View Post
    I wish we had the chance to vote for those who actually do run the country and that ain't the puppet politicians!
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    The problem we have up here is we don't have anyone to vote for except SNP. Lab ,cons and the lot don't have any good candidates in our area so we're not going to vote for a ponce just to get DC in power although I do think he'll be the best at this stage.
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    I'd like to see a government formed with a slim majority, but then have enough dissent within the ranks thereafter that little gets done or passed. The system would run if they'd let most of it be for a while. The markets wouldn't like the unsettled political scene and they'd sell the pound, which would make the biggest difference to us of anything right now.

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    And would PR produce anything better ?
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