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    Brexit reality

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ade-chief.html

    The source may not be to everyone's taste....but it was the easiest one I could find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ade-chief.html

    The source may not be to everyone's taste....but it was the easiest one I could find.
    As someone who first started crossing the borders of Europe some 30 years ago, I believe this is all rubbish. Can you really believe that the French would hammer our trade when their balance of trade with us is very much in their favour. In any case could we not divert our trade through Holland, Belgium or even Southern Ireland.
    OK we might have to provide customs documents at Calais, it might be a minor inconvenience, but in any case I think it is highly unlikely.
    I am a little concerned that our Conservatives would allow their tariffs and not retaliate, just as they were with compensatory amounts.

    As for our industrial trade with Europe it is out of balance anyway.


    I think we will be able to cross borders with trade, as of now, but we shall be able to control people instead.

    I vote out,

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    Re: Brexit reality

    The Election tomorrow may start the ball rolling faster ???

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    Re: Brexit reality

    Never read anything with dailywail in the title, but, as it's you Gee ...... I still didn't read it ...

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    Re: Brexit reality

    Pascal Lamy, slippery French sod he was. He is the chap who did for European sugar. Don't believe a word of it.

    There will be some pain and market reaction to the news, but the UK is better off without Europe. They will be much worse off, don't you believe it. But our biggest investor is the US. We are also forging close links with China and farther afield.

    We came out of the ERM, and we escaped the Euro. We can do without the EU and their apron strings as well.

    It is a bastion of unelected socialist jobsworths and it needs to stop. Enough is enough.

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    Re: Brexit reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    There will be some pain and market reaction to the news, but the UK is better off without Europe. They will be much worse off, don't you believe it. But our biggest investor is the US. We are also forging close links with China and farther afield..
    Potentially a major headache for Obama if we leave the EU ,with a new President to be elected. Its unlikely the US are going to press for a new trade deal with the EU until 2017 if the press ahead now it will have to be watered down dramatically ,and in doing so it will hand The Donald a major boost making it very difficult for the second Clinton to win.

    If we leave the EU I wonder what type of trade agreement proposal the US will table in view of the fact that the US are trying to broker one with the EU that is not a very good one.
    A better one than the one they have on the table now?



    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    It is a bastion of unelected socialist jobsworths and it needs to stop. Enough is enough.
    That how I view our Civil servents in Cardiff , hoping for a small change tomorrow ,but it will not be radical.
    Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.

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    Have asked my question elsewhere but never had any answer so as it's Brexit related I'll ask on here....

    How do members of a EU dairy co-op stand if the UK leaves the EU? Obviously I mean Arla & no I don't sell to them. But it does have huge impact if they were no longer allowed to be co-op members?

    I really can't see how they can remain if we are no longer EU but maybe I'm just not seeing the obvious? Direct supply is all I can think of but then how does that affect the premium contracts that gets paid then split across the whole of Europe? Does that then stay in the European farmers pocket?

    Not actually decided totally my vote yet but if pushed I would say OUT unless I see a VERY good benefit to staying

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    Re: Brexit reality

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672...-figures-Turks

    !2 million Turks ready to move to the UK ...thats a lot of Kebab shops

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaywarra View Post
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672...-figures-Turks

    !2 million Turks ready to move to the UK ...thats a lot of Kebab shops
    The same amount of Pensioners coming home from Spain ,Portugal and various other countries if we leave . Eggs & eggs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    The same amount of Pensioners coming home from Spain ,Portugal and various other countries if we leave . Eggs & eggs.
    The UK economy has to keep them anyway, at least if they were back home the money they spend would be coming back in to the UK economy.As it is it's effectively another donation to the countries which they live in.

    No even close to being a valid comparison but a good representation of the situation. Europe seems to gain from the UK whichever way you cut it, sad that so many here think we need to hang on to THEM for our survival!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrsni View Post
    The UK economy has to keep them anyway, at least if they were back home the money they spend would be coming back in to the UK economy.As it is it's effectively another donation to the countries which they live in.

    No even close to being a valid comparison but a good representation of the situation. Europe seems to gain from the UK whichever way you cut it, sad that so many here think we need to hang on to THEM for our survival!
    Migrant workers will do the same and do a days work ,pensioners they will need homes & a lot of health care just as migrants need and other services . It evens up eggs & eggs.
    Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    It evens up eggs & eggs.
    No it doesn't, it is NOT "eggs and eggs"!

    You see that's what really boils my p1ss about this whole thing, people thinking they're being intelligent and making a smart point when they're just talking nonsense. If you're going to make an argument then at least make it correct!

    The UK has an obligation to it's pensioners no matter where they live, it pays their pensions and any extra benefits, and in most cases still either provides their healthcare or pays their nominated country of residence for it. So 10,000 pensioners returning to the live in the UK is zero extra responsibility as it already is the UK's responsibility. 10,000 migrants coming in to the UK for whatever reason is 10,000 EXTRA dependants, how does that even up????

    Besides who ever said there'd be no more migrant workers, it's about CONTROL of the borders. If you're needed and have work lined up, no problem, otherwise sorry. No one has ever said there'd be no more foreign workers yet it's still trotted out ad nauseum by the remainers. It's about giving ourselves a chance to stop the constantly upward spiral of people dependent on our state so that maybe, just maybe, we who consider ourselves British may have some chance in the future of being helped when, and/or if we need it, by the state we've spent all our lives contributing to.

    This is much, much, too important to run the risk of making the wrong decision and then in a few years (or months!) time regret it, because it'll be too late and the saddest thing is that other people will also have to suffer for it.

    I have yet to hear, even after all this time, one single indisputable reason to remain as part of the EU. All the reasons are either pure speculation or as factually incorrect as yours.

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    As the saying goes, you've got to be in it to win it. One of the reasons for out was all the en directives and having to adhere to all the rules, but if we are out and still intend to trade in Europe we would still be required to follow all these directives and standards but have no input on them. As Norway and the like are just now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrsni View Post
    No it doesn't, it is NOT "eggs and eggs"!

    You see that's what really boils my p1ss about this whole thing, people thinking they're being intelligent and making a smart point when they're just talking nonsense. If you're going to make an argument then at least make it correct!

    The UK has an obligation to it's pensioners no matter where they live, it pays their pensions and any extra benefits, and in most cases still either provides their healthcare or pays their nominated country of residence for it. So 10,000 pensioners returning to the live in the UK is zero extra responsibility as it already is the UK's responsibility. 10,000 migrants coming in to the UK for whatever reason is 10,000 EXTRA dependants, how does that even up????

    Besides who ever said there'd be no more migrant workers, it's about CONTROL of the borders. If you're needed and have work lined up, no problem, otherwise sorry. No one has ever said there'd be no more foreign workers yet it's still trotted out ad nauseum by the remainers. It's about giving ourselves a chance to stop the constantly upward spiral of people dependent on our state so that maybe, just maybe, we who consider ourselves British may have some chance in the future of being helped when, and/or if we need it, by the state we've spent all our lives contributing to.

    This is much, much, too important to run the risk of making the wrong decision and then in a few years (or months!) time regret it, because it'll be too late and the saddest thing is that other people will also have to suffer for it.

    I have yet to hear, even after all this time, one single indisputable reason to remain as part of the EU. All the reasons are either pure speculation or as factually incorrect as yours.
    What are the chances of every EU country Voting for Turkey to come in ,it only needs one Veto.

    There are approx. Spain 760,000 (mostly pensioners) .Ireland 290,000 & France have around 200,000 (this does vary but the number is steadily rising ..All the other Uk residents add up to 2 million in the rest of the EU .They have to pay for health care .

    As I keep on saying there is pure speculation or as factually incorrect information on both campaign camps ,the actual truth is somewhere in the middle , there are pro`s and cons with either options .The idea one option is all win win and the other is lose lose is patronizing bullocks and simply not how the world works .


    There is undoubtedly a lot wrong with the EU and the fact we pay more in than we get back , equally as decisions are made by bureaucrats in the EU they are made here by civil servant's in the UK which are then vote through by politicians as they are in the EU. The EU is a framework not a country were the UK can Veto if it wants to , or as all other EU countries do simply ignore the rules , the 4 UK governments have a novel approach of creating their own and calling them EU rules ,thanks to the naivety of the electorate.

    The main reason I will vote to stay is on the issue of TB ,we have a massive problem which is entirely down to

    UK Politicians
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    just in case you missed that point of course if we leave we will be free to do as we wish.
    Brian May the UKIP supporting mop head will be a happy boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post

    The main reason I will vote to stay is on the issue of TB ,we have a massive problem which is entirely down to
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    just in case you missed that point of course if we leave we will be free to do as we wish.
    Brian May the UKIP supporting mop head will be a happy boy.
    Not sure of that entirely. The EU hasn't really given UK any strict-enough orders re TB - maybe 'they' want the UK cattle industry ended?

    Other countries are being infiltrated with UK ARA's poison as these terrorists get their act together.

    Years ago when a township's poultry was threatened by another too highly protected animal the Crofters' Union said they could do nothing due an EU dictat!

    If out we would have only 2? layers to get through - past the generally useless politicians and then the uncivil service which needs pulling up.

    NB Your own signature line ........ Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyce View Post
    NB Your own signature line ........ Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.
    ... good point Joyce but whatever the outcome of the referendum I don't think UK politics will ever be quite the same again.
    Will the Conservatives ever be sufficiently united to win another election? (they only just won the last by promising a referendum)

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    Funny thing watching DC being cosy with the Labour right wing!! It would be an interesting combination.....Right wing of the Labour Party and the left wing of the Tories.
    At the moment they appear to have more in common that the Tory Left and Right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom View Post
    ... good point Joyce but whatever the outcome of the referendum I don't think UK politics will ever be quite the same again.
    Will the Conservatives ever be sufficiently united to win another election? (they only just won the last by promising a referendum)
    I do get a bit cheesed off with all this business of divided political parties. Personally I think it is a good thing that there is division in both parties. If MPS merely follow the party whip, then no progress is ever made and we have bad laws passed. Just the same on the Labour side, if we have Jeremy extremism, (some of which is justified), unchecked then Labour will never be elected, not that I want them to be, but somebody has to the little rich boys in check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    Right wing of the Labour Party and the left wing of the Tories, at the moment they appear to have more in common that the Tory Left and Right!
    ... don't forget the Lib Dems, remember when David Heath replaced Jim Paice it was a seamless transition as though they were in the same party (when Owen Paterson replaced Caroline Spelman it was as though they were in different parties).

    I have just been checking the odds and it seems Tim Farron as the next Prime Minister is 100 time more likely than Leicester winning the Premiership

    (though none of their odds are generous, even Tony Blair is only 200:1 )

    http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en...r+Betting.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyce View Post
    Not sure of that entirely. The EU hasn't really given UK any strict-enough orders re TB - maybe 'they' want the UK cattle industry ended?

    Other countries are being infiltrated with UK ARA's poison as these terrorists get their act together..
    AR nutters have a lot more power in the UK although things may change over time over the Channel . The prime example here in the UK being the one million pound bribe his Tonyness took in 1997 leaving us with a succession of Veggie Ag ministers and more TB .

    Quote Originally Posted by Joyce View Post
    Years ago when a township's poultry was threatened by another too highly protected animal the Crofters' Union said they could do nothing due an EU dictat!

    If out we would have only 2? layers to get through - past the generally useless politicians and then the uncivil service which needs pulling up..
    Fair point and valid ,but you will still have the 2 layers but without the lazy tried & tested excuse. The question would be do we have the power & influence to make the right changes .

    Quote Originally Posted by Joyce View Post
    NB Your own signature line ........ Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.
    The UK`s TB policy in a nutshell ,more votes in Badgers than Cows. We are a minority in the UK and have less influence than are Continental cousins .
    Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.

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    LOL - might need to clean their cars in case of being taxed for moving UK soil when going on these more expensive hols.

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    I am starting to get just a little sick and tired of the lies and damned lies being spoken by both sides.
    Misinformation is rife and sheer deception abounds.
    It is becoming worse than the slanging match that was the Scottish Referendum and that's saying something.
    The economic argument from the Pros is shocking clearly basic arithmetic was never their strong subject at school or is this just an indication of how far education standards have fallen in this country?
    Clearly if we are not members then the 200-350 million spent weekly is saved to be spent here in the UK.
    To argue that we benefit by receiving ~100 million a week from the EU is nonsense as its our money in the first place. We have simply added an administrative charge into the process.
    Isn't VAT used to fund the EU. A regressive tax which has most impact on the poor?
    The question of an unelected 'politburo' worries me.
    The fact that EU accounts have never been signed off by auditors worries me.
    The fact that politicians are downright liars and then ask them to trust all they say worries me.
    The fact that same economists who failed to spot the ERM cockup or the 2008 crash say leaving will ruin us worries me.
    The fact that the Common Market is now a monster growing out of control worries me.
    The risk of UK agriculture getting humpt if we leave worries me.
    Like us all we just want these politicians to pis off and leave us in peace to get on with life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LALANS View Post
    we just want these politicians to pis off and leave us in peace to get on with life.
    The life we all live is influenced by the decisions made or not made by the government and those pesky politicians and us all abiding by the rules set out over the last few hundred years. I'm not saying I agree with them all or that I abide by them but I recognise the need for there to be rules for us dim wits. if you think back to the last time you felt you were wronged and at the time you thought to yourself "they cant do that" it's all these rules and legislations that are in place for people who just want to live their lives in peace and not be wronged.

    Not directed at you LALANS, just making a point
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    Quote Originally Posted by LALANS View Post
    The fact that EU accounts have never been signed off by auditors worries me.
    ... I think that one is a EU-myth

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36276175

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    It has to be Out.

    Can't really see the point in staying in, All that money we send to Europe is better of staying here for us. Yes it will hurt for a while I'm guessing but we need to be Great Britain again and we won't be if we stay in Europe.

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    Not old enough to of had a say in joining up, but of all the things that have come out of the EU there are two that rankle me.

    First has to be the quaint agreement required by Gen. De gaulle where the whole chebang packs up in Brussels once a month and travels 300 miles to Strasbourg for a week, then returns to Brussels for the remaining 3 weeks.

    The second is the trends where MEP's and officials of the EU are entitled to a 17 week holiday allowance


    And as for all this claims and counter claims by the conservatives and various government departments, I think that they may end up rankling so may of their own electorate that they may get a lot who turn their backs on the torys in the future, and there is also the remote possibility that many Labour supporters still smarting from Daves unexpected second term win may be enticed into tactical voting to exit in the hope that Dave or the government, or both topple and the tory party enters the soul searching zone that has been Labours domain up until now


    If we stay in, there will eventually be tears, if we go the same applies, neither is ideal but as someone said to me a while ago- The EU isn't fit for purpose. That sums it all up really.

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    We never had a say about being part of 'The EU'.

    The vote was for a 'Common Market' a wholly different horse to back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyce View Post
    We never had a say about being part of 'The EU'.

    The vote was for a 'Common Market' a wholly different horse to back.
    I was too young to vote last time but I think (watching old interviews recently) that the like of Heath always intended the Common Market to be a Federal Europe with a single currency. We were, as a nation, some what hoodwinked.

    I am also sick of the mud slinging and negative spin in both directions. The effect on the economy either way seems to be such an unknown. Is there too much emphasis by the leave bunch on border control and immigration? I am not comfortable with the idea of more eastern Europe/Middle Eastern countries signing up but mor from a security point than economic migration.
    I am not sure that Brexit will make any difference to red tape in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by essexpete View Post
    I was too young to vote last time but I think (watching old interviews recently) that the like of Heath always intended the Common Market to be a Federal Europe with a single currency. We were, as a nation, some what hoodwinked.

    I am also sick of the mud slinging and negative spin in both directions. The effect on the economy either way seems to be such an unknown. Is there too much emphasis by the leave bunch on border control and immigration? I am not comfortable with the idea of more eastern Europe/Middle Eastern countries signing up but mor from a security point than economic migration.
    I am not sure that Brexit will make any difference to red tape in this country.
    I'm sure we'll have to vote until we get it right anyway - not unlike some other referenda

    However what do those castigating Boris's statement think Hitler intended?

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