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    Four menus to save the planet

    Listened to a good debate on radio 4 yesterday on the tractor radio, regarding which was the best approach to food production in terms of environmental impact:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b078y4tk

    Tom Heap chairs a debate from the Bristol Food Connections festival with four experts who have very different views, and present their own menus for low-carbon eating: Jasmijn de Boo,(no, really), Chief Executive of the Vegan Society, Simon Fairlie, author of "Meat - A Benign Extravagance", Mark Lynas, environmental author, and Sean fecking Rickard, agricultural economist and massive tw@t.

    Rickard as usual was cheerleading for the destruction of the family farm. Fairlie made some good points about default livestock. The vegan woman said that a pigs job isn't to convert waste food into meat, a pig's job is to be a pig, but then went on to say that livestock farming was bad because it created methane, so presumably come the great vegan revolution, the pig's job will actually be being extinct, as a world full of pigs that don't get eaten will still be making methane.

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    Re: Four menus to save the planet

    Quote Originally Posted by matbrojoe View Post
    Listened to a good debate on radio 4 yesterday on the tractor radio, regarding which was the best approach to food production in terms of environmental impact:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b078y4tk

    Tom Heap chairs a debate from the Bristol Food Connections festival with four experts who have very different views, and present their own menus for low-carbon eating: Jasmijn de Boo,(no, really), Chief Executive of the Vegan Society, Simon Fairlie, author of "Meat - A Benign Extravagance", Mark Lynas, environmental author, and Sean fecking Rickard, agricultural economist and massive tw@t.

    Rickard as usual was cheerleading for the destruction of the family farm. Fairlie made some good points about default livestock. The vegan woman said that a pigs job isn't to convert waste food into meat, a pig's job is to be a pig, but then went on to say that livestock farming was bad because it created methane, so presumably come the great vegan revolution, the pig's job will actually be being extinct, as a world full of pigs that don't get eaten will still be making methane.
    Well pigs aren't ruminants and neither are chickens so presumably we can keep eating them whilst we burn all the cows and sheep on a big fire somewhere after they've all died of natural causes .
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    Re: Four menus to save the planet

    fairlie's book, which is well worth reading, argues that the GHG contribution of farmed ruminants is greatly overstated, it's a well referenced and logical argument, unlike some of the more outlandish claims. The claim that livestock contribute more GHGs than transport simply doesn't stand up to close scrutiny, and is based on a number of incorrect assumptions, in some cases counting the CO2 that animals exhale, FFS.

    As Fairlie argues, if we were really serious about stopping climate change, the obvious thing to do would be to leave the fossil fuels in the ground, a child could see that one. the idea that we farm ever more intensively and finish animals in a shorter time frame so they contribute less methane during their shortened lives has a certain twisted logic to it, but in society bested by obesity diabetes and cancer the idea that we could simply eat a bit less meat doesn't seem to have occurred to many.

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    Re: Four menus to save the planet

    Do any of these theories consider the amount of carbon which is removed from the atmosphere by the existence of the land utilized for grazing, feed production, etc. for these animals?

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    Re: Four menus to save the planet

    Quote Originally Posted by matbrojoe View Post
    The vegan woman said that a pigs job isn't to convert waste food into meat, a pig's job is to be a pig, but then went on to say that livestock farming was bad because it created methane, so presumably come the great vegan revolution, the pig's job will actually be being extinct, as a world full of pigs that don't get eaten will still be making methane.
    Has any research been done into how much methane a vegan produces compared to a meat-eater?

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    Re: Four menus to save the planet

    Let them eat sprouts

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    Re: Four menus to save the planet

    Don't sprouts ....now let's be tactful.....create 'gas'?....may not be methane,but hydrogen sulphide doesn't smell too great,either.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36215183 With a lot of spin to aid their cause.
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    Re: Four menus to save the planet

    A friend with celiac disease tries to eat wild meat (deer, moose) to avoid gluten fed to cattle on this side of the pond.

    Would feeding them hops rather than grains make them more-gluten-free friendly?

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