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    Quote Originally Posted by JPnew View Post
    It is my understanding that Iran was deemed to be a far greater threat at that time. Arms sales started in Iraq earlier than Mrs Thatcher's era did it not?
    Well that's all right then.

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    Well that's all right then.
    No it's probably not. I wouldn't choose to live in a Country that depends on income from the arms trade personally

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowcat View Post
    Using Bloody and yes addressing me on the first line adding angry face is surly far more provocative, and behind a farm gate was simply meaning that whats good for one is not good for another, personally I have no idea what its like to live in the Middle of a tower block in central London. So I speak from experance rather than opinion. IF you find a comment like that on an internet forum by a stranger on a women you've never met and hasn't been in power for over twenty years provoking, Id hate to see what happens if someone gives you the Vs at the traffic lights.
    Your Comment implied that farmers did not know what they were talkng about as they had no experience of life beyond the farm gate !
    And how do you know who I have met & who I have not (stranger) ?

    A two fingered solute from someone at the traffic lights would be seen by me (assuming I was paying attention), the person that did it (obviously) and very few others !
    Your comment was posted on an internet forum and seen by ????????????

    If you cant (wont) see the difference then that really is your problem !

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    Quote Originally Posted by matbrojoe View Post
    Just think about it for a second, you complained about your proposed 50% rent increase, why do you think the agent suggested such a rise? as was pointed out on the thread in question, it's because the market for land is buoyant, and there are plenty of people that will pay such a price. that's the free market in operation, and the free market is one of Thatcherism's core principals. Why do you think that others should be exposed to the forces of the free market as thatcher intended, but you are somehow a special case?
    If you read that thread properly you will see that the general opinion was that the "free market" & Land values can not be used to set Rents on Pre-86 AHA tenancy's !
    But then, you never have been interested in facts !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shields Kaizer View Post
    Completely wrong - There are massive grants and tax breaks available for R&D work in the UK today. After GHG emissions, DEFRA's 2nd highest budget is for Agricultural R&D
    Scratch bellow the surface and your find that even subsidiarity of Universality have been sold to Foreign investors, one project I was involved with on a very minor scale ended up selling to Mitsibushi, The grant didn't even scratch past the design phase never mind any prototyping, prior to the Japanese buying money was pumped in from Germany, Im talking about cutting edge technology that require years of R&D and long term commitment, they may cost millions to get to production stage but have the potential to return many billions.

    Quote Originally Posted by JPnew View Post
    I think you'll find that she described the ANC as a terrorist organisation. It was. So was the Provisional IRA. What went wrong in the first Gulf War, it could be argued, is that when Saddam was pushed back out of Kuwait, the West withdrew instead of going for him then in his own Country. A lot of Marsh Kurds probably wish they'd gone further
    The ANC were campaigning for human rights, I backpacked South at the end of the apartheid One of the people I became friends with was a South African of Asian decent, He was sneaked out the country By the ANC when he was eleven an educated in the USA, If he hadnt chances are he would not have been alive, His family was seen as a threat by the regime , his father was tortured whilst his house was bull dozered, Bull dozering of shanty towns was a wepon continualy used..

    The ANC saved many many lives, they also had a far more sinister side, however when your living under a regime that doesn't privalage an education to non whites, Its hardly supriseing, I always remember him telling me there was two people he had huge respect for, Major and Clinton, and he said it was only be there political will and the sanctions they imposed on the country, that caused the old Rageme to crumble. He had a very different opinion on Thatcher and Reagan.

    Possibly he and his family were some of the most interesting people iv ever met in my lives, had lived through hell, but held little bitterness towards life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowcat View Post
    Possibly he and his family were some of the most interesting people iv ever met in my lives, had lived through hell, but held little bitterness towards life.
    SO ITS TRUE.....You are a reincarnation ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil View Post
    Your Comment implied that farmers did not know what they were talkng about as they had no experience of life beyond the farm gate !
    And how do you know who I have met & who I have not ?

    A two fingered solute from someone at the traffic lights would be seen by me (assuming I was paying attention), the person that did it (obviously) and very few others !
    Your comment was posted on an internet forum and seen by ????????????

    If you cant (wont) see the difference then that really is your problem !

    Read into it what you like, with paraphrasing like yours you could be doing a Daily Mail editorial. If you are traveled, educated well rounded individual, show it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    Blair's legacy???
    PFI.....he got all the credit for hospitals ,schools etc etc......generations are going to be paying the bill.
    Nothing more than a two bit shyster.....Brown was just an old fashioned socialist who's time came a generation too late.
    Both using our money to buy our votes with bribes
    Anyone see the sickening sight of Mr and Mrs TB in line shaking the hands of the great and good leaving Church after the service. Complete with the cheesy grin.

    gee
    Thatcher would have sold the NHS if she thought she could have got away with it - which is preciseley what PFIs do. Having a publicly owned heath service funded by taxation is the antithesis of the Thatcherite ideal, the American private healthcare model is much more their style. After all, there is no place for you in a free-market society of you have not earned enough to buy your healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveHants View Post
    Thatcher would have sold the NHS if she thought she could have got away with it - which is preciseley what PFIs do. Having a publicly owned heath service funded by taxation is the antithesis of the Thatcherite ideal, the American private healthcare model is much more their style. After all, there is no place for you in a free-market society of you have not earned enough to buy your healthcare.
    She didn't, neither has Cameron

    Gordon sold all the gold at the bottom of the market however

    And on that, as they say on Dragon's, "I'm out"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil View Post
    If you read that thread properly you will see that the general opinion was that the "free market" & Land values can not be used to set Rents on Pre-86 AHA tenancy's !
    These AHA tenancies sound like dangerous left wing anti capitalist protectionism to me. If you start ignoring the market and setting rents at an artificially low rate, next thing you know these farmers will be expecting massive public subsidies to prop up their loss making businesses. Oh, hang on....


    But then, you never have been interested in facts !
    Oh i love facts Phil, if you'd read this thread properly, you'd see i've used loads of them to back up my argument, you should try it, they're much more effective than exclamation marks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveHants View Post
    Thatcher would have sold the NHS if she thought she could have got away with it - which is preciseley what PFIs do. Having a publicly owned heath service funded by taxation is the antithesis of the Thatcherite ideal, the American private healthcare model is much more their style. After all, there is no place for you in a free-market society of you have not earned enough to buy your healthcare.
    PFI's were brought in by the Labour Government of Tony Blair

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    The NHS was introduced because the common people were not being adequately provided for through the philanthropy of the rich.Even after millenia of the Christian churches begging them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveHants View Post
    Thatcher would have sold the NHS if she thought she could have got away with it - which is preciseley what PFIs do. Having a publicly owned heath service funded by taxation is the antithesis of the Thatcherite ideal, the American private healthcare model is much more their style. After all, there is no place for you in a free-market society of you have not earned enough to buy your healthcare.
    Hmmmm
    Bit of private enterprise would be really trying to keep their patients alive and paying.....unlike some parts of the NHS today.
    gee

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    Quote Originally Posted by matbrojoe View Post

    Oh i love facts Phil, if you'd read this thread properly, you'd see i've used loads of them to back up my argument, you should try it, they're much more effective than exclamation marks.
    Really ???????????

    All I see is a load of drivel coming from a character (reincarnation) that seems to thrive on spouting rubbish about any given subject and picking on individuals that are known to bite !

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowcat View Post
    Read into it what you like, with paraphrasing like yours you could be doing a Daily Mail editorial. If you are traveled, educated well rounded individual, show it..

    Unlike some on here... I see no need to boast about myself or what I have achieved in life !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil View Post
    Really ???????????

    All I see is a load of drivel coming from a character (reincarnation) that seems to thrive on spouting rubbish about any given subject and picking on individuals that are known to bite !
    good job you were too smart to fall for that one then.

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    We backed Iraq for a long time, we were buying their oil, we even trained a lot of their military command here in the UK. My father met a lot of them in his military career. The reason for this is that Iraq was our ally in the region when the soviets were backing Iran, a nation which turned its back on the West long before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coltheox View Post
    PFI's were brought in by the Labour Government of Tony Blair
    I am not sure about this, but regrettably I think PFI WAS a conservative idea used later by Labour.

    Maybe someone will research it further but I believe I have read it somewhere.

    Whoever thought it up it really has left one helluva legacy.

    Jack Caley

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    Hmmmm
    Bit of private enterprise would be really trying to keep their patients alive and paying.....unlike some parts of the NHS today.
    gee
    Apart from those that can't afford private medical insurance, of course - they might as well die in a ditch.

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    Jack is correct. PFI was introduce by John Major's govt in '92.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveHants View Post
    Apart from those that can't afford private medical insurance, of course - they might as well die in a ditch.
    Nothing wrong with Private enterprise selling their services to the NHS.
    Specialist services Knees, Hips.etc etc.
    Better use of resources etc.
    No need to go for the USA version .
    gee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    Nothing wrong with Private enterprise selling their services to the NHS.
    Specialist services Knees, Hips.etc etc.
    Better use of resources etc.
    No need to go for the USA version .
    gee
    OTOH, if you are one of the many people whose relatives died needlessly in Stafford hospital because the management were more interested on targets to achieve foundation status than they were in actually providing care for the sick, you might think doing everything on price is not such a good idea.

    Instead of having in house cleaners that answered to the ward matron, for instance, we now contract the cleaning out to the lowest bidder, and the hospitals are filthy because, surprise surprise, the cheapest isn't always the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matbrojoe View Post
    OTOH, if you are one of the many people whose relatives died needlessly in Stafford hospital because the management were more interested on targets to achieve foundation status than they were in actually providing care for the sick, you might think doing everything on price is not such a good idea.

    Instead of having in house cleaners that answered to the ward matron, for instance, we now contract the cleaning out to the lowest bidder, and the hospitals are filthy because, surprise surprise, the cheapest isn't always the best.
    Sorry but Blair spent more money on the NHS than you could shake a stick at. If they still cannot deliver then obviously heads need to roll. I won't swallow this lack of funding BS, the NHS has a culture of bureaucracy and sluggishness, yet they still want pay rises and monster pensions.

    Blair has screwed this country by employing so many public sector workers, the pension liabilities for which will cost this country for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    Sorry but Blair spent more money on the NHS than you could shake a stick at. If they still cannot deliver then obviously heads need to roll. I won't swallow this lack of funding BS, the NHS has a culture of bureaucracy and sluggishness, yet they still want pay rises and monster pensions.

    Blair has screwed this country by employing so many public sector workers, the pension liabilities for which will cost this country for decades.
    No one wants to fund the NHS until they actually really need it, Its then you really get a small snapshot of why the NHS cost so much money and that actualy the Consultants and nurses really do a heluva of job.

    It could be argued that so many public sector jobs were created to fill the void of private jobs that had disappeared in the previous decades, maybe subsidiseing industry into creating jobs was far better than the need for creating public sector jobs?

    Which ever way you look at it people need jobs, unemployment has as many social problems as it does economic..

    Maybe removing the sub from agriculture would result in job loses, would this be a good or bad point? essentially a subsidized industry is socialism.

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