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    During the miners strike I was a young lad and I can vividly remember hitching to a festival , the car I was getting a ride in was stopped by an army of police (the only way to describe the numbers present) we were all physically pulled out of the car and interrogated as to our destination ----I was told by a member of the constabulary --' were going to fu%k them commie miners and when we've finished were going to f%*k you scum too ---maggies said we've got to clean up' ---this always struck me as maggies take on things, that there was only one way which was her way and anyone who didn't fit could rot in hell. One hell of a legacy----

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    Mrs Thatcher came at a time when there was some of the best world leaders ever and she was respected by all of them and had my respect as being a real leader if only she had being left to finish her time in office , even if she had lost the election it would have being the best thing for the world , and a first for her as she never lost an election , RIP
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    For me she was great leader,compare her to the lightweight politicians of today. She had ideas ,convictions and asked you to believe in them and won three elections. Now we have pale imitations seeking the easiest way out of a problem in order to get themselves elected.I don't believe they have any real belief other than appeasing the greater number of voters so they can get back into power.Labour are no better they have no alternative strategies but snipe on the sideline hoping they are not asked to put their name to actual real policies and probably thankful they are not having to try and clear up the present mess.
    O how people laughed at Reagan and Thatcher at the time but I think we really miss that sense of vision and purpose and how over time so much they did was proved correct. The gravitas and respect that Thatcher brought Britain on the world stage compared to, Heath,Kinnock ,Foot,Blair or Brown and now call me Dave is just massive.
    R.I.P. a true leader she was no sheep.

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    We wpould'nt have a manufacturing industry now no matter who was in, the big joke on the series "The Grimleys" was workers in Birmingham car factories striking over someone asking an unoficial timekeeper what time it was. I was only a tot in the 80's, but all around me who worked then say the country would be brought to it's knees by the likes of Red Robbo, and the flying pickets did it for the builders. Look at Ricky Tomlinson, former flying picketer, or the flying f***ers as my old building site boss called them, just thugs on a coach going round the country trashing building sites because docker were striking and they thought everyone else should too. Maggie routed all the gits who were bringing this country to it's knees, 3 day weeks, power cuts, allsorts of things we take for granted today. Coal Miners in point of air, Flint, could take home 1700 a week in the 80's (I know a former one of them, thats what he told me) for taking every shift possible down there. Scargill ruined it for the miners, they didnt realise what side heir bread was buttered on. Blairs shower have done more damage to this country than Adolf Hitler could ever dream of doing, And even more to the civillian population of Iraq, whereby it was just a conquest for oil, rather than liberating a people from a tyrant, because if the latter was the case, how comwe Mugabe, Kim il Sung et al are still ruling their countries?

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    Re: R.I.P. Margeret Thatcher.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim W View Post
    +1 'the witch is dead!'
    Timothy Timothy. I wouldn't write that even on the day Gerry Adams departs us

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    Obituary programme on BBC now narrated by Andrew Marr so it has been in the can for a while. Even her own side recognise the damage she did to manufacturing and her destructive economic policy.
    No sign of another female Prime Minister on the horizon, is that a good or bad thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coltheox View Post
    You will be remembered long after the political minnows are turned to dust.
    Very true Col.

    As has been said,The Unions knackered the job and having personal insight into union led action in the very recent past-the bully boy tactics are still alive and well.Also propping up people who should have fell by the wayside.

    Although in balance I did like a few of Morrisey's tunes,even though it hurts badly to do so....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim W View Post
    +1 'the witch is dead!'
    Quote Originally Posted by JPnew View Post
    Timothy Timothy. I wouldn't write that even on the day Gerry Adams departs us
    x2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim W View Post
    During the miners strike I was a young lad and I can vividly remember hitching to a festival , the car I was getting a ride in was stopped by an army of police (the only way to describe the numbers present) we were all physically pulled out of the car and interrogated as to our destination ----I was told by a member of the constabulary --' were going to fu%k them commie miners and when we've finished were going to f%*k you scum too ---maggies said we've got to clean up' ---this always struck me as maggies take on things, that there was only one way which was her way and anyone who didn't fit could rot in hell. One hell of a legacy----
    The coppers were in the wrong. Scargill's tactics were no better with those he considered were picket line breakers (even if it was at a cemetery where you couldn't bury your dead)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPnew View Post
    Timothy Timothy. I wouldn't write that even on the day Gerry Adams departs us

    steady on,I wouldn't go that far....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim W View Post
    +1 'the witch is dead!'

    Tim W : You sir should hang your head in shame!!! You really are a small and immature person to make such a comment on a persons death regardless of your views of her as a PM..

    I suggest sir you look up the words Respect and decency!!


    Least we forget a family is mourning a mother and grandmother tonight as well as the country mourning one of the two top PM's this country has had and is sadly likely to have!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gone up the hill View Post
    Tim W : You sir should hang your head in shame!!! You really are a small and immature person to make such a comment on a persons death regardless of your views of her as a PM..

    I suggest sir you look up the words Respect and decency!!


    Least we forget a family is mourning a mother and grandmother tonight as well as the country mourning one of the two top PM's this country has had and is sadly likely to have!!
    Its a quote from a song/film---?wizard of oz? ---and it just sums up how I (and many other people ) feel about her ---there are plenty of posts praising her for all her 'work' but we don't all agree with them. I could have posted much worse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim W View Post
    Its a quote from a song/film---?wizard of oz? ---and it just sums up how I (and many other people ) feel about her ---there are plenty of posts praising her for all her 'work' but we don't all agree with them. I could have posted much worse?
    Your a disgrace, you be be ashamed to be speaking ill of the dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillybill View Post
    Your a disgrace, you be be ashamed to be speaking ill of the dead.
    Sorry, I've always spoken my mind---alive or dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillybill View Post
    Your a disgrace, you be be ashamed to be speaking ill of the dead.
    More a statement of fact than speaking ill of the dead.

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    Thatcher's conduct led to Blair coming to power and look at the damage that has done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim W View Post
    Its a quote from a song/film---?wizard of oz? ---and it just sums up how I (and many other people ) feel about her ---there are plenty of posts praising her for all her 'work' but we don't all agree with them. I could have posted much worse?
    You really are a very small sad and bitter person.... one thing you should always do ( regardless of liking them or not ) is show respect to someone who has died..

    You really show the very worst in mankind!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim W View Post
    Sorry, I've always spoken my mind---alive or dead
    And there is the point.... if someone is alive and can reply then its fair enough to say what you think.. BUT when someone has died and they cannot reply and their family is mourning their loss its bang out of order!!!

    Sounds like to me sir you live in a little bubble and need to look beyond the farmgate a bit more!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gone up the hill View Post
    You really are a very small sad and bitter person.... one thing you should always do ( regardless of liking them or not ) is show respect to someone who has died..

    You really show the very worst in mankind!!!
    Interested to learn if this should apply to everyone regardless of the impact they may have had on the lives of others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim W View Post
    Its a quote from a song/film---?wizard of oz? ---and it just sums up how I (and many other people ) feel about her ---there are plenty of posts praising her for all her 'work' but we don't all agree with them. I could have posted much worse?
    If you seek her monument look around. See what world leaders say even those that didn't agree with her on everything. Mr Blair to his credit can recognise it,only the small and jealous feel the need to gloat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topground View Post
    Interested to learn if this should apply to everyone regardless of the impact they may have had on the lives of others?
    If you have not learnt the answer to that there is no hope for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topground View Post
    Interested to learn if this should apply to everyone regardless of the impact they may have had on the lives of others?
    You should never speak ill of the dead, people iv fallen out with in the past ( mostly business reasons ) have then gone on and died, yes i could have been pathetic and not sent the family a card/ attended the funeral but in every case they have come upto me after the funeral and said whilst they appreciate i did see eye to eye with X they really appreciated the card/ my attendance at the funeral.. its about doing the right thing!! sometimes in life you have to put your personal feelings aside and be the bigger person! AND thats something Tim W needs to learn!!!!!!

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    One of the most hated politicians in recent British history dies (at the time of the Falklands, she was less popular than even Chamberlain) and some people on here are surprised to learn not everybody is upset by it? Really?

    Everybody dies - I wouldn't want people saying nice things about me out of 'respect' when I go - its two faced in the extreme.

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    [QUOTE=hillybill;23590]If you have not learnt the answer to that there is no hope for you.[/

    Clearly not! Please enlighten me why I should show respect in death for someone I held in contempt during their life, for instance Pol Pot?

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    Regardless of politics, truly iconic. Believed in herself and was driven. Would have made mincemeat of Clegg, Cameron and Brown in any tv debate and the tea boy now "leading "labour. Whether right or wrong she was a strong woman who had ambition

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    Quote Originally Posted by speccy View Post
    steady on,I wouldn't go that far....
    Quite agree. If they ever need someone to drop a round in Gerry Adams or Martin McGuinness I'd happily volunteer. In fact, maybe an improvised explosive device would be more fitting.

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    Only wimpy PC correctness meant the falklander islanders had to have a refrendum and similarly Gibraltar. Despite the situation she as prime minister took the decision. Now we are told what was done was wrong. Was it wrong when we stood up against Hitler under Churchill who in politcal terms the nation and or party stabbed in the back. Thatcher came about because of the misstaken choice of voters, who de-facto elected socialism in and entered in to the minefeild of common market member ship. Now we will have time to vote if that was right choice.

    Bizzarly now the greatest leader in terms of balls in Europe is Angela Merkel. Right person right place right time. Politics should be conviction not palatidudes or popularity polls. Or career choice. And as Maggie slamed down her hand bag and got us our rebate a subsequent prime minister gave it away as casualy as he gave Her majesty the task of taking back the stone of Scone. Whilst idling away their time on Belleconi's private villa. Darn right we want back people in politics with the same grit Mrs T had.
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    I am old enough to experience life under the government of Margaret Thatcher.
    A politician with principals....
    Something we are sadly short of today.
    A person who knew and understood the people of the country.
    The Shambles of the preceding years are hard to believe now.
    Arthur Scargill destroyed the Mines. He engineered the situation. As with the Argetinian generals he massively underestimated her determination and resolve.
    She laid the foundations for the 20,30, 40 year olds of today to have opportunities that were previously unattainable.
    Freed from the socialist nirvana of Nationalised disasters such as British Steel, British Railways, The GPO anyone fancy a Nationalised transport system again......trucks and all???
    Margaret Thatcher ripped the UK out of the 1950's and gave it a firm foundation for the future.
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    Anyone can think what they like, but at the time another 5 years of James Callaghan's Labour party was not an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    I am old enough to experience life under the government of Margaret Thatcher.
    A politician with principals....
    Something we are sadly short of today.
    A person who new and understood the people of the country.
    The Shambles of the preceding years are hard to believe now.
    Arthur Scargill destroyed the Mines. He engineered the situation. As with the Argetinian generals he massively underestimated her determination and resolve.
    She laid the foundations for the 20,30, 40 year olds of today to have opportunities that were previously unattainable.
    Freed from the socialist nirvana of Nationalised disasters such as British Steel, British Railways, The GPO anyone fancy a Nationalised transport system again......trucks and all???
    Margaret Thatcher ripped the UK out of the 1950's and gave it a firm foundation for the future.
    Gee
    No ONE COULD HAVE PUT IT BETTER, only other leader we have ever had like her was Sir winston churchill, If neither of these people had become PM then the country we live in today would be a far different and worse place than it currently is!! im in my 30s, will i see a pm ( which we badly need ) like thatcher or churchill in my lifetime... sadly i fear not!!

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