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    If Churchill was such a great leader at the time, why wasn't he re-elected? A tad prone to self-aggrandisment and also he was his own worst enemy when it came to co-operating with the allies. His insistence on trying to micromanage parts of the war effort were at best problematic and downright ridiculous at times.

    There are still perfectly sound and good patriotic MPs and Lords in this country. Don't be too cynical.

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    Anyone with memories of the 70s will remember the state of Britain before Margaret Thatcher came to power:a country strangled by politically motivated trade unions. Some of their leaders receiving cash from the KGB no less! Not to be forgotten was the fact that in the late 70s Britain had been cap-hand to the IMF for funds to balance the books!

    Without MT's resolve I think the country would have had many more years as the poor man of Europe.

    Yes she got things wrong--the poll tax was a political blunder. But on the things that really mattered like curbing the irresponsible union power, the Falklands, privatisation etc her judgement and determination were absolutely spot on.

    RIP Maggie

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    Because the Socialist con Boys promised the population something for nothing, that's why he wasn't relected.
    The Daylight robbery that was carried out in the name of democracy makes the current Cyprus Bank Heist look like a playground mugging for a packet of sweets.
    60 years later we are picking up the pieces of the con job.
    That's why he was not relected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    If Churchill was such a great leader at the time, why wasn't he re-elected? A tad prone to self-aggrandisment and also he was his own worst enemy when it came to co-operating with the allies. His insistence on trying to micromanage parts of the war effort were at best problematic and downright ridiculous at times.

    There are still perfectly sound and good patriotic MPs and Lords in this country. Don't be too cynical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    I am old enough to experience life under the government of Margaret Thatcher.
    A politician with principals....
    Something we are sadly short of today.
    A person who knew and understood the people of the country.
    The Shambles of the preceding years are hard to believe now.
    Arthur Scargill destroyed the Mines. He engineered the situation. As with the Argetinian generals he massively underestimated her determination and resolve.
    She laid the foundations for the 20,30, 40 year olds of today to have opportunities that were previously unattainable.
    Freed from the socialist nirvana of Nationalised disasters such as British Steel, British Railways, The GPO anyone fancy a Nationalised transport system again......trucks and all???
    Margaret Thatcher ripped the UK out of the 1950's and gave it a firm foundation for the future.
    Gee
    the reason politics seems dull today is because maggie won the battle of right verses left so now we have the politics of the middle which ulitimately is dull.
    i agree totally with Gee whilist it is easy for me a soft southern to say there is no doubt that the coal,steel industries etc would have failed regardless of who was in charge was it handled in the best manner possible? no but the fact remains the products being produced were more expensive and of poorer quality than comparable imports maggie is an easy target.

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    It can never be a good day for the country when you see mounted police beat down the working man or wave their pay packets at them, the government at the time should have stamped on this immediately. However, ultimate blame rests with union bosses who wanted nothing more than to make the government dance to their tune whilst they remained getting fat on the backs of those they claimed to represent, of course one or two were closet socialists or communists, hardly surprising given the bastion of corruption they have often been.

    You can bemoan the loss of coal mines as much as you like, the fact remains that not only can you import it cheaper from abroad, but also, Mr Blair kindly firmly locked the door on the industry by deciding to switch to using gas to produce electricity, a more short sighted move I cannot find.

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    Can't believe the front page of the Sun. What a disrespectful headline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    If Churchill was such a great leader at the time, why wasn't he re-elected? A tad prone to self-aggrandisment and also he was his own worst enemy when it came to co-operating with the allies. His insistence on trying to micromanage parts of the war effort were at best problematic and downright ridiculous at times.

    There are still perfectly sound and good patriotic MPs and Lords in this country. Don't be too cynical.
    Because the Labour turn coats promised the welfare state!! So you think that weakling chamberlin would have won the war then??? in tough times you will seperate the men from the boys and without churchill very few of us would be here today!!!

    As for the current crop of MPs, what planet do you live on??????????? regardless of party they are all as bad as each other and are only in it for themselves... not because they have a sense of duty to their country like MRS T did..

    Name me one patriotic MP!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by malcolm View Post
    Can't believe the front page of the Sun. What a disrespectful headline.
    Don't you mean the mirror ?

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/

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    I think you maybe over-state the importance of Britain during the war. Ultimately the Russians and US won the war. Hitler would never have managed to invade Britain, not whilst the Navy and RAF existed. If the other members of the big three had told Churchill he wasn't in their club there wasn't much he could have done about it.

    I believe there are some sound politicians in Britain today, regardless of their colour, Ken Clarke, Jack Straw, there are numerous others. Lets face it, some of these people are clever guys with the right connections. If they wanted to I am sure they could get a job for 65K anywhere so they can't be in politics just for the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogerm View Post
    No, this. I mean, bad taste or what?


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    The same Ken Clarke that wanted to da a deal with the Argentine over the Falklands????
    What has Jack Straw ever achieved?
    Carefully wrapped up in his Cotswold pad well away from his dangerous Northern Constituency.
    Busy easing his Son into politics via Oxford and Labour Party research work whilst doing a bit of consultancy for Scotch Gordon's version of the British Treasury!!!!
    Not a lot really!


    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    I think you maybe over-state the importance of Britain during the war. Ultimately the Russians and US won the war. Hitler would never have managed to invade Britain, not whilst the Navy and RAF existed. If the other members of the big three had told Churchill he wasn't in their club there wasn't much he could have done about it.

    I believe there are some sound politicians in Britain today, regardless of their colour, Ken Clarke, Jack Straw, there are numerous others. Lets face it, some of these people are clever guys with the right connections. If they wanted to I am sure they could get a job for 65K anywhere so they can't be in politics just for the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    I think you maybe over-state the importance of Britain during the war. Ultimately the Russians and US won the war. Hitler would never have managed to invade Britain, not whilst the Navy and RAF existed. If the other members of the big three had told Churchill he wasn't in their club there wasn't much he could have done about it.

    I believe there are some sound politicians in Britain today, regardless of their colour, Ken Clarke, Jack Straw, there are numerous others. Lets face it, some of these people are clever guys with the right connections. If they wanted to I am sure they could get a job for 65K anywhere so they can't be in politics just for the money.
    Ken clarke.... your having a bloody laugh.... he would sell us out to Europe tomorrow if he could!!! as for jack straw..... who???? confused dot.com.. clear you are a labour supporter then!!!

    As for the war, what utter rubbish, the Americans/ russia did not win the war, for starters without the supplies we gave the Russians on the artic routes they would have been fhinshed, you say hitler couldnt have invaded... came within 48 hrs of him doing it but for the grace of god he didnt, why i dont know, if he had they the Nazis would have been running the entire world within months..

    I suggest you actual take your glasses of and stop talking nonsense!! without the bravery/ hardships endured by millions of british people between 39/45 we wouldnt be here today... and for what they and churchill did for our country and freedom of the wider world i for one will always be gratefull..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    I think you maybe over-state the importance of Britain during the war. Ultimately the Russians and US won the war. Hitler would never have managed to invade Britain, not whilst the Navy and RAF existed.
    So in what way was Britains part in WW2 overstated ?
    I think the 55,000 aircrew lost by Bomber Command alone would highlight your statement to be utter bollocks.

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    Come off it GUTH, Bravery and hardships?? How many Britons froze to death or died of disease or malnutrition during the war? You reckon I have rose tinted glasses? I'll show you bloody hardships, you ever seen what 4 metric tonnes of human hair in a pile looks like? How good is your history I wonder?

    The Americans and Russians won the war. Americans because they had industrial might. The Russians simply because they were willing to pay any human price no matter how steep.

    The average Briton had a tough time in the war, worrying about a lack of sugar and living during the blackout, but don't try to compare that with the life the average German, Pole or Ukrainian had to endure. Thousands either had no food, no medical supplies, no housing, women raped, every man and boy marched off to fight or otherwise hung as a coward. The poor people in the east, some of whom were treated like slaves by the Nazis, and then as subhumans by the Russians later.

    As for people like Ken Clarke, he is one of the people who put Britain's economy on an even keel and into prosperity in the 2000's. Jack Straw was a pretty sound Home secretary. They aren't all crooks you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Muck View Post
    So in what way was Britains part in WW2 overstated ?
    I think the 55,000 aircrew lost by Bomber Command alone would highlight your statement to be utter bollocks.
    What did bomber command achieve, exactly? Apart from kill a lot of people and make occupied Europe a mess?

    55,000? The Americans lost 27,000 just from the 8th Airforce alone.

    Britain alone would never have re-taken Europe. We didn't have enough men of military age for starters.

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    I was around when Mrs Thatcher came to power, our young cowman asked could we help him pay his mortgage by increasing his pay,his mortgage had gone up to 17%.
    A pal was delighted as his large bank deposit of 250,000 was earning him 13%.
    When the Police were given a substantial increase in pay,before the miners strike,incidentally my two sons have served in the police.
    Was it the unions that caused the problems or weak management.
    My own opinion is the M.Th.was a great actress,was one step from being a dictator,she killed off the Milk marketing board,and altered the farming community for ever,she did nothing for farmers or the countryside,there`s no votes in the country,she needed the town vote, so she allowed them to buy their council property,our property for peanuts,now people have no homes,I`m sorry for her family at the loss of their mother,should she have a military type funeral I think not,too many still hurting.It was the voters that put her in power,but her pals in parliament removed her,that i think says it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    Come off it GUTH, Bravery and hardships?? How many Britons froze to death or died of disease or malnutrition during the war? You reckon I have rose tinted glasses? I'll show you bloody hardships, you ever seen what 4 metric tonnes of human hair in a pile looks like? How good is your history I wonder?
    What like the guys who froze to death in the Atlantic or on the Arctic convoys ? Or maybe the guys who died of disease and malnutrition in the Far east ?
    It's one thing to have an opinion but to cast aside the sacrifices made by so many that allow you to sit and type the drivel you do is frankly disgraceful.
    Still, thanks to those who have gone before us, it is a free country.

    BTW, The USAAF 8th Airforce was their main bomber division.
    It's not like they had another seven divisions that lost 27,000 men each. maybe you should learn a little bit about history before just typing what Wankipedia tells you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    Come off it GUTH, Bravery and hardships?? How many Britons froze to death or died of disease or malnutrition during the war? You reckon I have rose tinted glasses? I'll show you bloody hardships, you ever seen what 4 metric tonnes of human hair in a pile looks like? How good is your history I wonder?

    The Americans and Russians won the war. Americans because they had industrial might. The Russians simply because they were willing to pay any human price no matter how steep.

    The average Briton had a tough time in the war, worrying about a lack of sugar and living during the blackout, but don't try to compare that with the life the average German, Pole or Ukrainian had to endure. Thousands either had no food, no medical supplies, no housing, women raped, every man and boy marched off to fight or otherwise hung as a coward. The poor people in the east, some of whom were treated like slaves by the Nazis, and then as subhumans by the Russians later.

    As for people like Ken Clarke, he is one of the people who put Britain's economy on an even keel and into prosperity in the 2000's. Jack Straw was a pretty sound Home secretary. They aren't all crooks you know.
    Thousands and thousands of british men/ women gave their life in the war to stop the Nazis from doing the evil things you talk about for starters!!

    Yes a lot of German women were raped after the war ended but that im afraid is the outcome of war and the hate that servicemen of all countrys had for the germans at the time!!

    You say the british people didnt suffer hardships... so what about being bombed night after night for months on end for starters?? plus rationing, lossing their loved ones, the list goes on and on..

    So would you have laid down your arms and opened the doors to the Nazis if they had invaded if you had been of fighting age at the time???

    As for Clarke/straw, they are have achieved nothing, what the hell did jack straw achieve as home sec?? other than softer jail terms for convicted criminals.. as for clarke, he is a bloody turncoat.... all he cares about is selling us out to europe/ the single currency... and if we had that what a state we would be in today!!! they really are the worst kind of MP...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    What did bomber command achieve, exactly? Apart from kill a lot of people and make occupied Europe a mess?
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    It destroyed a vast bulk of the German industry that went a long way to help the Russians fight back.
    Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.

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    You guys, I think you need to lower the union jack styled glasses for a second, yes we lost a lot of blokes, but put it in perspective, have you even the slightest idea of American and Russian losses in the war? Or don't they count or something?

    You have any idea how many people Bomber Harris killed or made homeless? You have any idea how many people in the east the Germans deliberately sought to starve to death? How many were displaced, homeless, or how many died of malnutrition?

    We can talk statistics all night, seriously, but you can't argue with an estimated 8 million dead Russians, many of whom were forced, basically at gun point, to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    We can talk statistics all night, seriously, but you can't argue with an estimated 8 million dead Russians, many of whom were forced, basically at gun point, to go.
    Now you are talking.
    What about the probable 30+ million Russians killed by their own people between the late 20's and 40's ?
    We will never know the true number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim W View Post
    Its a quote from a song/film---?wizard of oz? ---and it just sums up how I (and many other people ) feel about her ---there are plenty of posts praising her for all her 'work' but we don't all agree with them. I could have posted much worse?
    No doubt you could, but referring to a previous post of yours, when you said the coppers when going to f**k you up when they had finished with the miners actually got it right. Even a small minded piece of effluent like yourself should have even a ounce of decency about you. You obviously havent. Why don't you show a bit of respect to the dead, you small minded ignorant piece of shit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    It destroyed a vast bulk of the German industry that went a long way to help the Russians fight back.
    German industrial production was never too detrimentally affected by strategic bombing, the lack of oil and rubber were their main problems, once the Russians recaptured the land in the East. Bombing population centres was a complete waste of time on both sides. And the Americans soon began to regret systematically destroying the European rail network because it slowed their advance on Berlin.

    Main problem the Nazis had whilst fighting the war was a little guy called Hitler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Muck View Post
    Now you are talking.
    What about the probable 30+ million Russians killed by their own people between the late 20's and 40's ?
    We will never know the true number.
    Indeed, which is why you don't see me claiming the British people had it hardest during the war. In actual fact, the British people did not have deportations or concentration camps, nor did the enemy steal our livestock or food supplies. Nor was our national infrastructure smashed into pieces, nor did they suffer they have to face the prospect of Bomber Harris destroying all their major conurbations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    You guys, I think you need to lower the union jack styled glasses for a second, yes we lost a lot of blokes, but put it in perspective, have you even the slightest idea of American and Russian losses in the war? Or don't they count or something?

    You have any idea how many people Bomber Harris killed or made homeless? You have any idea how many people in the east the Germans deliberately sought to starve to death? How many were displaced, homeless, or how many died of malnutrition?

    We can talk statistics all night, seriously, but you can't argue with an estimated 8 million dead Russians, many of whom were forced, basically at gun point, to go.
    I think its you that have no idea how many Germans were killed by the Air Force ,you have been taken in by the worlds first spin Doctor Joseph Goebbels.
    Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    Main problem the Nazis had whilst fighting the war was a little guy called Hitler.
    And why was he a problem ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    German industrial production was never too detrimentally affected by strategic bombing, the lack of oil and rubber were their main problems, once the Russians recaptured the land in the East. Bombing population centres was a complete waste of time on both sides. And the Americans soon began to regret systematically destroying the European rail network because it slowed their advance on Berlin.

    Main problem the Nazis had whilst fighting the war was a little guy called Hitler.

    Germans bombed London first old boy... so bomber harris gave them a taste of their own medicine... so if we faced the same evil as we did in 1939 would you FIGHT for freedom and the liberty of your country and the wider world or would you just put your hands up and bend over???

    ps : you should rename your username......... to Chamberlin.... would suit you down to a tee!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    If Churchill was such a great leader at the time, why wasn't he re-elected? A tad prone to self-aggrandisment and also he was his own worst enemy when it came to co-operating with the allies. His insistence on trying to micromanage parts of the war effort were at best problematic and downright ridiculous at times.

    There are still perfectly sound and good patriotic MPs and Lords in this country. Don't be too cynical.
    He was in 1951, and the Conservaative Government lasted for thirteen years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    I think its you that have no idea how many Germans were killed by the Air Force ,you have been taken in by the worlds first spin Doctor Joseph Goebbels.
    Oh right, so the total and systematic destruction of parts of Germany (and France mind) killed no civilians. No one died at Dresden at all, nor in Berlin or Caen.

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    The British stood alone when no one else would......America did their utmost to stay out, rather different from the America of today.
    Russia had little choice ....annihilation or fight back.
    It is easy to fight or avoid wars with the benefit of hindsight.
    We tried apeasement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    You guys, I think you need to lower the union jack styled glasses for a second, yes we lost a lot of blokes, but put it in perspective, have you even the slightest idea of American and Russian losses in the war? Or don't they count or something?

    You have any idea how many people Bomber Harris killed or made homeless? You have any idea how many people in the east the Germans deliberately sought to starve to death? How many were displaced, homeless, or how many died of malnutrition?

    We can talk statistics all night, seriously, but you can't argue with an estimated 8 million dead Russians, many of whom were forced, basically at gun point, to go.

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