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    chips
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    Robot Project

    Just thought I'd show a few photo's of our Robot project if anyone's interested

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    chips
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    The above are of the dairy and feed room, below is the office

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    chips
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    Last is the feed silo and the barn where dairy,silo and office are and finaly where work has now just started on the robot room

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    recycled
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    1 cow moved in already

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    NeilO
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    Well done Chips. How's the schedule looking?

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    dalos
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    all change then chips, its starting to take shape, give you a bit more time with the new arrival when it comes!. I take it Caz is going overdue with this one, Good luck when the day comes.

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    chips
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    Hi Niel,
    Robot due for October so depending on how the building work goes hopefully we will be ready for it and then it will be down to Dekel , He said they now have a bloke on full time instalation and I'm next on the list so hopefully we will be milking througt it this Year . Although I understand that they don't do start ups after about the 10th of December which is probably a good idea .

    Hi Dalos,
    Took a while to twig what with your new name on here, looks different written down , Yeah Caz is due Today so looks like she'll be over due on this one , She even came for a bumpy tractor ride like Chow on the Manitou but hasn't worked yet . Polish Lad has just given two weeks notice so hope baby hurries up now .

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    NeilO
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    Installation doesn't normally take long, it's the building that tends to get delayed. If you're on top of that side, then you'll be laughing ............ Well, perhaps after 6 months of hell!

    I take it you have a nipper due now? Congrats.

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    chips
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    Just started building work again after a month delay, Got new builders in , they reckon they'll be finished by next week ! This is how it looks today

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    chips
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    Oh and had a small delivery today , Got my father inlaw in with his loadall to unload it as it's a bit heavy for a loader tractor to be safe . Poor fella reckon he aged five years while manouvering around , Had to unload at a neighbours farm due to size of lorry . Dutch lorry driver ,so I presumed he had come from the factory but in fact he just picked the trailer up from the docks . He works all week in the UK then goes home at weekend to refill . 1200 litre tank so no need to buy our expensive stuff . Same price there in euros as it is in pounds here !

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    NeilO
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    Hoping for fast builders then.

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    northern-bandit
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    All that waiting and they didnt gift wrap it! haha, good luck and have fun.

    N-B

  13. #13
    chips
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    Yeah the new builders are pretty fast, starting and finishing in the dark each day so they assure me by end of next week they will be done ,still have the wiring etc to do but we should have finished building , as for gift wrapping it would be more use if they could deliver it on a smaller lorry as when the silage pit is full we can't turn big artics and considering the cost of the thing I don't think it would be too much to ask Had to unload a couple of miles from home and take it home on bale trailer ,Don't think I've ever been so nervous driving home

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    skoda
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    When you have finished and have time on your handsyou could participate in this http://www.societyofrobots.com/robotforum/

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    Tony
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    Re: Robot Project

    Hello Chips, please keep me informed of this project as I'm strongly thinking of starting milking myself and putting in a robot. Going with a robot and zero grazing is the only way that I'd consider milking.
    I researched the De Laval VMS a lot and was really swayed towards it but De Laval won't supply a VMS into Ireland for aprox 2 years because they haven't got the service/backup ready until then - and I respect that!
    But lately I'm finding myself being swayed towards the Lely astronaut again. After having a closer look at it, I reckon that it's a very well designed robot - a little bit better than the VMS.
    Where abouts in the UK are you?
    What advice would you give to someone who is thinking of starting milking and installing a robot? We have the adequate underground slurry tanks. We'd just have to re-design the houses/buildings on top of them. In fact, we'd probably dismantle the existing houses and put up a big new shed - for feeding, robot, office and cubicles. It would be the handiest thing. Any advice from you (chips) or anyone else would be appreciated...

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    NeilO
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    Re: Robot Project

    Hi Tony. Do some figures first of all. Can you really make it stack up with a massive capital investment in buildings, robot and cows? If so, I'd be interested to see those figures. I would have thought it would be quite hard to justify the investment in a new, low input, conventional dairy enterprise, let alone a larger investment.

    Don't think that you will save a lot of labour by putting a robot in, it will be used differently and be more flexible but it will also be more specialised. You will also tie in a lot of fixed costs that wouldn't necessarily be there on a conventional system.

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    chips
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    Re: Robot Project

    Hi Tony ,
    I'll try my best to post as we go along but I probably will be a little busy training cows for a few months . Going back into milk is a nice way to get into robot milking as you can just buy heifers and then you'll have no old dogs to teach new tricks , The farmer who's robot I've seen the most of did it this way and saved a lot of trouble .
    When I spoke to de laval a couple of years ago I got the same response as you have in Ireland but they did follow this up with a phone call about a month ago to say they may be ready next year , I think they've sold a few in scotland though including some to a farmer who also runs Lely robots.
    I like the delaval for it's ability to angle the cups on attachment , however I think their biggest drawback is that Lely hold the patent for keeping the arm under the cow while milking . this means lely have very short pipes to the cups and if a cup is kicked off it is caught before it hits the ground and is instantly re atached , where as the delavel has pipes lying every where for cows to kick at ,and every time one is kicked off it has to wash it before re attachment in case it landed in muck , All of which reduces output of the machine , and so they advocate the use of forced cow flow as appose to free cow traffic which Lely advocate as they say they get more output with freecow flow . But if you're going to house all year round this won't be so much of an issue but for someone who wants to graze the preselection gate of delavel will not work and from speaking to them the other day I get the impression they're not really interested in grazing only loafer paddocks at a push .
    Bear in my this is only my oppinion and is heavly influenced by Lely salesmen as I have never seen a delaval working .
    The most important thing to sway your decesion as to which robot I would say has got to be back up . These machines take a huge investment from the farmer and you need the same comitment from the dealer in your country as with out 24/7 back up these machines are a none starter . Some people in the UK got badly let down by the muti box robots (can't remember the make ) when they couldn't get parts or service . I think there is a brand new one somewhere that got installed but never used as the company gave up on them , other were sold for parts to keep existing ones going .
    While you will not save too many hours work as I understand it , the fact that this work is flexible will probably save some in paid labour as you can do more yourself and not be so tired ......eventually .
    As for cost they are the cheapest form of milking parlour out there if you've got to put a new setup in . the huge cost of covering a conventional parlour and collecting yard and then concreting it and collecting the slurry from will pay for a robot alone which can normaly just be slotted on the end of the cubicles with a little pod over it . The investment you paid in building the conventional set up is virtuarly all concrete and labour and the parlour itself will lose most of it's value once set in concrete where as Lely robots have very high residual values and can simply unbolted from the ground ,all important stuff to a 100% tennated small dairy farmer .
    Anyhows that my theory having never milked a cow with a robot , I will keep you posted over the coming months/years to see how my oppinions change

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    Tony
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    Re: Robot Project

    Thanks Chips. Sure do your best to keep a few photos and words posted. Looking forward to it.......

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    chips
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    Re: Robot Project

    This is how it looks today , Perhaps one more week then Niel you win
    Next problem will be the electricty supply needs updating to an extra 100 amps

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    chips
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    Re: Robot Project

    Put floor screed down today to protect the concrete from the dairy chemicals that the robot drops on it .

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    chips
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    Re: Robot Project

    Fitted it today and only dropped it twice !! Had to put it on trolley jacks on one end and loader on other to get it in as our kennels are too low to travel down with it on the pallet tines , all in safe and well now though

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    chips
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    Re: Robot Project

    Everything is virtually done now , just got the wiring and computers to finish and some doors to go on . Hopefully start towards the end of the month if our electric is up to it and if our milk buyer (dfb) is up to it !!!

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    chips
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    Re: Robot Project

    Hopping to start on wednesday if we can get the compressor going by then , we only have a 15 kva transformer so we are going to have to try a soft start motor , if this doesn,t work we won't be milking until we have the transformer upgraded at 11k+ !!!

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    sidjon
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    Re: Robot Project

    i had to have 50KVA transformer for new parlour in july it only cost me 2500 in the end, western powers first quote was 20000 haggle hard they will come down slowly!

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    chips
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    Re: Robot Project

    Cheers sidJohn,
    I will certainly try if I have to go down that route, E-on is our distributor so I'll make them an offer then , what did you start your bidding at to meet at 2500 ??

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    sidjon
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    Re: Robot Project

    I just kept telling them it was to dear, when the site was visited i took the name and mobile number of the man who came and just kept ringing him alot!!!!! and parlour fitters did as well, seemed to work very well.
    Did try to get 3phase but was 38000 to go 1.7km but we had to do all ground work we costed it at 20000 (had to go though road plus farm has hard rock past a foot) hope this will help!

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    chips
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    Re: Robot Project

    Cheers SidJohn,
    It most certainly will help , I'd tried to knock them down but I think they knew I was desperate, any way the new soft start motor seems to be doing the trick so it will be easier to barter them down now , after all the transformer is so old it would surely need replacing in the not too distant future so they should bare some of the cost .
    Anyhows I just had all the cows through the robot tonignt to make it easier tomorrow when we start to milk in it and it was an absoloute doddle did it on my own and was waiting for cows to come out of the abreast as I could get them in far quicker than they were being milked. The old abreast you can spend 20 minutes just getting one new cow in ! Just have to see if the noise of the compressed air rams tomorrow makes it any harder . Getting quite excited now although the compressor still is'nt right yet , The Irish fitter will be coming back late tonight to finish it , so just one more milking left in an old somerset milking bail fitted 40 plus years ago as a tempory measure by my father who will be helping with the robot for the next couple of days , Also will be nice for my Grandfather who has not been very well lately to come and see it working . He was milking a hundred cows I think through a tie barn way back when and never got to milk in a parlour as he got out of dairy as his son wasn't into cows but I think he missed it as did my mother who milked with Grandad and releif milked here up until the age of 60 ! You think times progress but I'm still not milking as many cows as my grandfather was !!

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    Kevin
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    Re: Robot Project

    Good luck Chips, I've been following this for a while now. Should have made a reality TV show about it, would have paid for the transformer...and some!!

  29. #29
    Micklebring
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    Re: Robot Project

    I love these "project" threads. The whole job looks really good and I'm sure it'll go well 'cos you've put a lot of thought into how to do it. Can't wait to see pictures of the first cows going through it.

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    NeilO
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    Re: Robot Project

    Good luck Chips.

    As soon as the old girls learn that there's food in there, you'll be sailing.

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