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    NRW and forestry fencing

    since we owned the farm for the last 50 years the forestry commission were always responsible for the boundary fence against their woodland, but now since the take over bye NRW it seems they now longer want to maintain the fences and are saying the fences were only maintained and renewed under some HILL FARM AGREEMENT, this is an agreement we have never heard of.
    We have an old boundary map with the boundaries for the farm clearly marked it shows the parts we have to fence and owe neighbour it clearly states that the fence against the forestry is their's
    We are not happy with the way that NRW are trying to go, any one else having similar problems?

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    Re: NRW and forestry fencing

    I wonder what would happen if you were to put fence up , say a 5 metres beyond your boundary , would they be interested, then .NRW is not one of the Welsh Assembly's most able and affective organisations ,although it is only right and proper Wales has its own body in charge of Forestry , I have not come across anyone involved with trees ,even ardent Nationalists who think they are doing a better job than the previous Forestry commission run from Scotland.



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    Re: NRW and forestry fencing

    Think they now take the attitude that its your responsibility to keep your livestock off their property, although I think a neighbor did get them to replace a short length a couple of years ago because his stock were getting through and onto a road. Maybe try FUW /NFU to argue your case.

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    Re: NRW and forestry fencing

    Presumably the forestry land was originally farming land before it was bought by the tax payer and turned over to forestry.

    If the land was originally part of your farm, the sale agreement will have detailed who was to be responsible for maintaining
    the boundary fence.

    If the land was not originally part of your farm, there would have been an existing agreement between the two adjacent landowners.
    If this showed a joint responsibility, it is unlikely that your farm would have agreed to waive it. In fact, if the owner of your farm and,
    in particular the solicitor acting for the Owner had been astute enough, they would have ensured that the sale agreement included
    a clause stating that the new owners were responsible for the full cost of erecting and maintaining the boundary fence.

    At least to begin with, you should be able to look at whatever deeds are available without too much expense.

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    We are finding the same problem here with, thank goodness, only 800 metres of boundary with forestry but about double that with the Forest Research centre and offices near Brecon. The Forestry lads are tearing their hair out with frustration but the NRW are their bosses and hold the purse strings.
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    Re: NRW and forestry fencing

    NRW must be getting a very big payment from renewable energy with all the wind turbines on the forestry land, not to mention the revenue from the tree harvesting that is going on though out Wales.

    If the forestry Commission was left as it was it should have been a money maker for the Welsh Government with the income from the the above.
    Fencing would not have been any problem to them, but as it is, the obvious lack of management from NRW must be a drain on the potential of what it could have been.

    The merge should never have happened NRW is a bucket with no bottom.

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    Re: NRW and forestry fencing

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainman View Post
    NRW must be getting a very big payment from renewable energy with all the wind turbines on the forestry land, not to mention the revenue from the tree harvesting that is going on though out Wales.

    If the forestry Commission was left as it was it should have been a money maker for the Welsh Government with the income from the the above.
    Fencing would not have been any problem to them, but as it is, the obvious lack of management from NRW must be a drain on the potential of what it could have been.

    The merge should never have happened NRW is a bucket with no bottom.
    The problem is simply is that they have appointed Yes Men/Women who have been telling Cardiff what they want hear as posed to getting experienced people who couldn't talk the talk .
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    Re: NRW and forestry fencing

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainman View Post
    since we owned the farm for the last 50 years the forestry commission were always responsible for the boundary fence against their woodland, but now since the take over bye NRW it seems they now longer want to maintain the fences and are saying the fences were only maintained and renewed under some HILL FARM AGREEMENT, this is an agreement we have never heard of.
    We have an old boundary map with the boundaries for the farm clearly marked it shows the parts we have to fence and owe neighbour it clearly states that the fence against the forestry is their's
    We are not happy with the way that NRW are trying to go, any one else having similar problems?
    I am afraid that unless you have an agreement stating otherwise, the law in England and Wales is that you fence your own stock in.
    However you are also obliged to prevent resident vermin on your land doing damage to others.
    How this applies to deer damage on land adjoining FC property, I am unsure.
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    Re: NRW and forestry fencing

    Quote Originally Posted by Exfarmer View Post
    I am afraid that unless you have an agreement stating otherwise, the law in England and Wales is that you fence your own stock in.
    However you are also obliged to prevent resident vermin on your land doing damage to others.
    How this applies to deer damage on land adjoining FC property, I am unsure.
    I guess it would depend on whether Deer are considered "vermin" or "supper"

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    Re: NRW and forestry fencing

    If deer ventures onto your land and damages your crops or fields then you have a right to protect your crops/land by shooting the deer or any vermin/pest in that matter but there is laws with deer shooting and have to use the correct rifle for such a job nothing less than .240 caliber
    oh and it's good dinner too😊

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