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    This is copied from the Conservative party manifesto

    I have highlighted some of the more relevant paragraphs.


    Our countryside communities
    We will bring sustainable growth to the rural economy and boost our rural areas, so that
    people who live in the countryside have the same opportunities as those who live in our
    towns and cities.
    We have huge ambitions for our farming industry: we are determined to grow more, sell
    more and export more great British food. We want to provide stability to farmers as we
    leave the EU and set up new frameworks for supporting food production and stewardship
    of the countryside. So we will continue to commit the same cash total in funds for farm
    support until the end of the parliament. We will work with farmers, food producers and
    environmental experts across Britain and with the devolved administrations to devise a
    new agri-environment system, to be introduced in the following parliament.
    Our countryside and rural communities have been moulded by generations of farmers.
    We will help Natural England to expand their provision of technical expertise to farmers
    to deliver environmental improvements on a landscape scale, from enriching soil fertility
    to planting hedgerows and building dry stone walls. We will deliver on our commitment
    to improve natural flood management, such as improving the quality of water courses to
    protect against soil erosion and damage to vulnerable habitats and communities. We will
    continue to ensure that public forests and woodland are kept in trust for the nation, and
    provide stronger protections for our ancient woodland.
    We will continue to take action to improve animal welfare. We will implement
    our proposed reforms on pet sales and licensing and will make CCTV recording in
    slaughterhouses mandatory. As we leave the European Union, we can take early steps to
    control the export of live farm animals for slaughter.
    We will also take steps to enhance the provision of public services in rural areas. We
    will safeguard the post office network, to protect existing rural services and work with
    the Post Office to extend the availability of business and banking services to families
    and small businesses in rural areas. A third of all SMEs in rural areas use their post
    office weekly and our ambition is that all routine small business and consumer banking
    services should be available in rural post offices. We will support pharmacies and village
    schools in rural areas.
    We will grant a free vote, on a government bill in government time, to give parliament the
    opportunity to decide the future of the Hunting Act.
    Finally, we pledge to be the first generation to leave the environment in a better state than
    we inherited it. That is why we shall produce a comprehensive 25 Year Environment Plan
    that will chart how we will improve our environment as we leave the European Union
    and take control of our environmental legislation again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b slicker View Post
    This is copied from the Conservative party manifesto

    I have highlighted some of the more relevant paragraphs.


    Our countryside communities
    We will bring sustainable growth to the rural economy and boost our rural areas, so that
    people who live in the countryside have the same opportunities as those who live in our
    towns and cities.
    We have huge ambitions for our farming industry: we are determined to grow more, sell
    more and export more great British food. We want to provide stability to farmers as we
    leave the EU and set up new frameworks for supporting food production and stewardship
    of the countryside. So we will continue to commit the same cash total in funds for farm
    support until the end of the parliament. We will work with farmers, food producers and
    environmental experts across Britain and with the devolved administrations to devise a
    new agri-environment system, to be introduced in the following parliament.
    Our countryside and rural communities have been moulded by generations of farmers.
    We will help Natural England to expand their provision of technical expertise to farmers
    to deliver environmental improvements on a landscape scale, from enriching soil fertility
    to planting hedgerows and building dry stone walls. We will deliver on our commitment
    to improve natural flood management, such as improving the quality of water courses to
    protect against soil erosion and damage to vulnerable habitats and communities. We will
    continue to ensure that public forests and woodland are kept in trust for the nation, and
    provide stronger protections for our ancient woodland.
    We will continue to take action to improve animal welfare. We will implement
    our proposed reforms on pet sales and licensing and will make CCTV recording in
    slaughterhouses mandatory. As we leave the European Union, we can take early steps to
    control the export of live farm animals for slaughter.
    We will also take steps to enhance the provision of public services in rural areas. We
    will safeguard the post office network, to protect existing rural services and work with
    the Post Office to extend the availability of business and banking services to families
    and small businesses in rural areas. A third of all SMEs in rural areas use their post
    office weekly and our ambition is that all routine small business and consumer banking
    services should be available in rural post offices. We will support pharmacies and village
    schools in rural areas.
    We will grant a free vote, on a government bill in government time, to give parliament the
    opportunity to decide the future of the Hunting Act.
    Finally, we pledge to be the first generation to leave the environment in a better state than
    we inherited it. That is why we shall produce a comprehensive 25 Year Environment Plan
    that will chart how we will improve our environment as we leave the European Union
    and take control of our environmental legislation again.
    I seem to be hearing an awful lot of ducks of many varied colours farting under water just lately.
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    I have reached the conclusion that all manifestos, from any party that you care to name, are works of fiction. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    Jack
    Years ago a wiser man than me stated that 'there is nothing more sincere than the words of a politician and the kiss of a prostitute'.
    Everyone tells fibs just some tell bigger fibs than others and mostly politicians of whatever hue.
    I repeat the mantra of Churchill 'KBO, Keep Buggering On'

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    We will help Natural England to expand their provision of technical expertise to farmers
    to deliver environmental improvements on a landscape scale, from enriching soil fertility
    to planting hedgerows and building dry stone walls. We will deliver on our commitment
    to improve natural flood management, such as improving the quality of water courses to
    protect against soil erosion and damage to vulnerable habitats and communities.

    Am I the only one worried about this statement? It sounds like yet more sanctioned meddling by university types who have a little knowledge and big ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney View Post
    We will help Natural England to expand their provision of technical expertise to farmers
    to deliver environmental improvements on a landscape scale, from enriching soil fertility
    to planting hedgerows and building dry stone walls. We will deliver on our commitment
    to improve natural flood management, such as improving the quality of water courses to
    protect against soil erosion and damage to vulnerable habitats and communities.

    Am I the only one worried about this statement? It sounds like yet more sanctioned meddling by university types who have a little knowledge and big ideas.
    On Farming Today. There is much pressure to divert all the single farm payment to environmental.
    I think that is most likely to happen,also the reference to live animal exports. Puts even more relevance to the discussion on tariffs.
    Jack Caley

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney View Post
    We will help Natural England to expand their provision of technical expertise to farmers
    to deliver environmental improvements on a landscape scale, from enriching soil fertility
    to planting hedgerows and building dry stone walls. We will deliver on our commitment
    to improve natural flood management, such as improving the quality of water courses to
    protect against soil erosion and damage to vulnerable habitats and communities.

    Am I the only one worried about this statement? It sounds like yet more sanctioned meddling by university types who have a little knowledge and big ideas.
    I don't have a problem with statement per se`, its the lack of detail .There are a lot of spaces were more trees could be grown in the countryside , the problem is the army of consultants , office monkeys and regulatory constraints involved that make it very frustrating .Similar is with hedgerow stonewall protects , everyone who has been involved in these schemes will feel they are treated like potential benefits cheats , more than half the financial budgets go on administration costs , which makes one wonder were is the inefficiency .


    Typical lack of detail here . https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...aval-rhtcktdl5#_=_
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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    I don't have a problem with statement per se`, its the lack of detail .There are a lot of spaces were more trees could be grown in the countryside , the problem is the army of consultants , office monkeys and regulatory constraints involved that make it very frustrating .Similar is with hedgerow stonewall protects , everyone who has been involved in these schemes will feel they are treated like potential benefits cheats , more than half the financial budgets go on administration costs , which makes one wonder were is the inefficiency .
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    Exactly. But surely it's up to the Farming Unions to stand up to the Government, the beaurocrats and the biased environmental lobby. But we won't be
    successful until the NFUs act together and search for and obtain street wise agitators to argue our case. Who can remember Clive Jenkins? Is Nigel Farage looking for a change of career?

    So lets first establish a British and Ulster NFU instead of the current situation of in-fighting between the various unions. One example is the Scottish NFU constantly
    arguing that Scottish agriculture is unique and has its own specific problems. It isn't and it doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    I seem to be hearing an awful lot of ducks of many varied colours farting under water just lately.
    Jack Caley
    That is a new one on me!

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    Hmmmm
    NFU seem to have an obsession with making sure that all IAC's / SFP / forms are filled out correctly......Wake up and smell the Coffee.......the forms are the past!

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    Makes you wonder if the Manchester thing will affect the election.
    Apparently the guy had just returned from indoctrination abroad.
    I am still convinced that immigration was the main reason people voted brexit.
    Maybe if we had had better border controls, Manchester would not have happened.
    Jack Caley

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    Makes you wonder if the Manchester thing will affect the election.
    Apparently the guy had just returned from indoctrination abroad.
    I am still convinced that immigration was the main reason people voted brexit.
    Maybe if we had had better border controls, Manchester would not have happened.
    Jack Caley
    Didn't I see somewhere that he was born in England a couple of decades ago to a couple that immigrated from Lebanon?? London comes to mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironhead View Post
    Didn't I see somewhere that he was born in England a couple of decades ago to a couple that immigrated from Lebanon?? London comes to mind?
    His parents are Lydian. Apparently his father is back in Lydia, but is also radical. They came some 20 odd years ago.
    My point is though that he only returned to England recently. Maybe better border controls would have picked him up.Jack Caley

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    His parents are Lydian. Apparently his father is back in Lydia, but is also radical. They came some 20 odd years ago.
    My point is though that he only returned to England recently. Maybe better border controls would have picked him up.Jack Caley
    He was a British citizen, born on the UK, how would border controls have prevented him from entering the country?

    his parents were anti Gadaffi activists, (remember, Gadaffi was the bad guy). Gadaffi, like many 'strong man' middle east leaders was secular, the Libyan opposition groups were Islamist. After Cameron and Sarcozy intervened in Libya and helped depose Gadaffi, we end up with a situation where islamist groups are fighting for control of Libya, which is essentially a failed state with two competing govts and no centralised control. It would appear that the Manchester bomber had been to Libya to fight with such a group and that's how he has been radicalised and recruited.

    FWIW there's actually a lot of truth in what Corbyn has said today, that meddling in such countries has strengthened islamic terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    His parents are Lydian. Apparently his father is back in Lydia, but is also radical. They came some 20 odd years ago.
    My point is though that he only returned to England recently. Maybe better border controls would have picked him up.Jack Caley
    Quote Originally Posted by matbrojoe View Post
    He was a British citizen, born on the UK, how would border controls have prevented him from entering the country?

    his parents were anti Gadaffi activists, (remember, Gadaffi was the bad guy). Gadaffi, like many 'strong man' middle east leaders was secular, the Libyan opposition groups were Islamist. After Cameron and Sarcozy intervened in Libya and helped depose Gadaffi, we end up with a situation where islamist groups are fighting for control of Libya, which is essentially a failed state with two competing govts and no centralised control. It would appear that the Manchester bomber had been to Libya to fight with such a group and that's how he has been radicalised and recruited.

    FWIW there's actually a lot of truth in what Corbyn has said today, that meddling in such countries has strengthened islamic terrorism.
    Some very basic logic here from stand up comedian Guz Khan.
    https://www.facebook.com/DoubleDownN...0030931749233/It is safe to say that what has happened in Libya is even worse than Iraq , IMO it would have happened without the West`s intervention at some point given the way that both their tyrannical leaders were treating their citizens ,and critically a lot of people who were loyal at one point. Because we intervened , its obvious we are going to be blamed and get caught up .
    Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matbrojoe View Post
    He was a British citizen, born on the UK, how would border controls have prevented him from entering the country?
    By stopping him coming back into the U.K. after his trips back to Libya and other places. He was on MI5's radar and we need to get serious about who can and can't just flip into and out of the U.K. We have been pussy-footing around for years.

    It took nearly a decade to kick Qatada out after he was visiting mosques and preaching hatred, even blocking streets in London with his rants. And will we kick Choudary out when he comes out of gaol ?

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