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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironhead View Post
    Jack, the reason you are having trouble finding WTO tariffs is the WTO doesn't charge tariffs.

    Selected text from the WTO website: https://www.wto.org/

    "The World Trade Organization (WTO) is the only global international organization dealing with the rules of trade between nations. At its heart are the WTO agreements, negotiated and signed by the bulk of the world’s trading nations and ratified in their parliaments. The goal is to ensure that trade flows as smoothly, predictably and freely as possible."

    "The WTO has many roles: it operates a global system of trade rules, it acts as a forum for negotiating trade agreements, its settles trade disputes between its members and it supports the needs of developing countries."

    "The primary purpose of the WTO is to open trade for the benefit of all."

    "The WTO has over 160 members representing 98 per cent of world trade. Over 20 countries are seeking to join the WTO."

    "The WTO derives most of the income for its annual budget from contributions by its members. These contributions are based on a formula that takes into account each member's share of international trade."
    Thank you, so presumably the tariff I am having to pay is EU tariff?

    Jack Caley

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    Thank you, so presumably the tariff I am having to pay is EU tariff?

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    The tariff would be either EU or British.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironhead View Post
    if you mean World Trade Organization (WTO) they do not import or export duties or tarrifs on trade between countries - the "duties" Jack mentions would be a combination of EU / British import duties AND "paper work" charges by the shipper.

    I have run into this "paper work" charge many times when importing things into Canada from the US.
    Apologies, I was being mischievously ironic with my reply . Fair play to you though with your excellent explanation of how the World Trade Organization operates.



    When something on ebay has an inflated price like that there is no way it is down to any tax or tariff .
    It could simply be its out stock and they are avoiding having to relist it with a financial cost or losing people who have it on their watch list as is common with spare parts.

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    so we have lost yet another Brexiteers from the cabinet!
    Seems a shame, we shall have to see who is appointed in her place.
    This whole totally unneccessary business of leaving the EU gets more and more difficult every day. If the stubborn EU lot had only given Cameron some space, we would not be here.
    It does make you wonder at the Freudian aspect of yet another loss of a Brexiteer from the cabinet.
    Wish they would get on with it.

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    Just as a bit of light relief, Neil Oliver, archaeologist and historian, and new chairman of the National Trust (?) has described Alex Salmond as:

    A round wrecking ball of a man - shaped only to do damage.

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    Jack. I used to think that Cameron was a half decent bloke but I now think that he couldn't negotiate his way onto an empty bus. I currently think that the PM is a thoroughly decent human being but I doubt if she is strong enough for the task ahead. I hope she proves me wrong.

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    Went to meeting Wednesday night.
    A sheep farmer and his wife and son spoke.
    His wife said NZ lamb was more expensive in NZ than here. Food is very dear there.
    This morning on farming programme they confirmed there is no tariff on 200000 tonnes NZ lamb.
    At least that's one thing that can,t get cheaper!
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    Re: Brexit, yes or no?

    Makes my head hurt!

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    Anybody listening to Owen Patterson this morning should be worried, kept going on about the advantages of no customs union etc and listed his perceived areas that would be better, second on the list was "cheap food". Now how is that sitting with UK farmers and the standards we have to compete and produce by.

    Always thought this would be the Brexit choice and still do, we will be sacrificed as the freeby with any negotiated trade deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAndy View Post
    Anybody listening to Owen Patterson this morning should be worried, kept going on about the advantages of no customs union etc and listed his perceived areas that would be better, second on the list was "cheap food". Now how is that sitting with UK farmers and the standards we have to compete and produce by.

    Always thought this would be the Brexit choice and still do, we will be sacrificed as the freeby with any negotiated trade deal.
    Could his REAL point be "No . . . Union"?

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    The turn of events in the Brexit saga worries me!!!!
    We are going to finish up with the worst of all worlds!
    I watched a bit of the live coverage of BBC Parliament yesterday afternoon, it was mostly Labour MP,s , but the amount of ignorance of all MP,s worries me. They rattle on about trade deals, democracy , workers rights, you name it but very few of them know anything about the real world!
    I am sad to say also that Dominic Greaves mother was a local Yorkshire woman. I met her once a long while ago and was horrified at London establishment air of unreality!
    It begins to look like the establishment is going to ignore the will of the people by devious means, and we will finish up with the worst of all worlds.
    I believe if we had another referendum the vote would be 70/30 for out, in view of the fact that all the EU wants is our money and to further cripple our industry the same way it has done Italys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    The turn of events in the Brexit saga worries me!!!!
    We are going to finish up with the worst of all worlds!
    I watched a bit of the live coverage of BBC Parliament yesterday afternoon, it was mostly Labour MP,s , but the amount of ignorance of all MP,s worries me. They rattle on about trade deals, democracy , workers rights, you name it but very few of them know anything about the real world!
    I am sad to say also that Dominic Greaves mother was a local Yorkshire woman. I met her once a long while ago and was horrified at London establishment air of unreality!
    It begins to look like the establishment is going to ignore the will of the people by devious means, and we will finish up with the worst of all worlds.
    I believe if we had another referendum the vote would be 70/30 for out, in view of the fact that all the EU wants is our money and to further cripple our industry the same way it has done Italys.
    Jack Caley
    Ignorance of many voters worries me!
    70/30 in!
    Rather think Italy as acountry, got there before the EU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    Ignorance of many voters worries me!
    70/30 in!
    Rather think Italy as acountry, got there before the EU!
    I still believe 70/0 out.
    Our voters have seen the real Europe and are still seeing that all those fat cats in Europe want is our money.
    Very skilfully the EU has turned our politicians away from what our voters voted on, they voted on immigration, benefits and our infrastructure.
    I see some German businessmen wanted to reopen Cameron's negotiations, and forget all the trade problems.
    We have been trading with Italy for more than thirty years, when we first went Italy was a booming industrial nation. It has declined since they went in the EURO and also since Poland ad Roumania joined. My son tells me it is the same in Spain.
    Jack Caley
    PS Yesterday saw the service for the Grenfell fire. That was an absolute tragedy, but nobody seems to connect the need for housing with the growth of our population from the low 0,s to the high 60,s. Unlimited immigration whether it be in London, or in the northern ghettos has to be coped with somehow.
    My feeling is that the referendum vote was a knee jerk reaction to that, and I am not being racist, just realistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    I still believe 70/0 out.
    Our voters have seen the real Europe and are still seeing that all those fat cats in Europe want is our money.
    Very skilfully the EU has turned our politicians away from what our voters voted on, they voted on immigration, benefits and our infrastructure.
    I see some German businessmen wanted to reopen Cameron's negotiations, and forget all the trade problems.
    We have been trading with Italy for more than thirty years, when we first went Italy was a booming industrial nation. It has declined since they went in the EURO and also since Poland ad Roumania joined. My son tells me it is the same in Spain.
    Jack Caley
    PS Yesterday saw the service for the Grenfell fire. That was an absolute tragedy, but nobody seems to connect the need for housing with the growth of our population from the low 0,s to the high 60,s. Unlimited immigration whether it be in London, or in the northern ghettos has to be coped with somehow.
    My feeling is that the referendum vote was a knee jerk reaction to that, and I am not being racist, just realistic.
    Getting there......
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8114406.html

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    The survey was among 1400 voters.
    The referendum was roughly 33 million.
    Wonder if the 1400 were all around London?
    Watched question from Barnsley my overall impression was still one of leave. Most of the audience called upon the MP,s to respect the will o the people.
    JackCaley

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