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Thread: JD green star question

  1. #1
    Clive
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    JD green star question

    If I had a new green star ready 6930 on hire and I have both a "brown box" and starfire receiver on farm already what else would I need to make the tractor steer ?

    I guess all wires are there as tractor is greenstar ready ? Would I need any software or licences other than a sf correction ?

    Hoping someone will tell me it's a simple plug and play job but fear JD won't make it that simple and painless surely ??

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    flatstick
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    Re: JD green star question

    Quote Originally Posted by Clive View Post
    If I had a new green star ready 6930 on hire and I have both a "brown box" and starfire receiver on farm already what else would I need to make the tractor steer ?

    I guess all wires are there as tractor is greenstar ready ? Would I need any software or licences other than a sf correction ?

    Hoping someone will tell me it's a simple plug and play job but fear JD won't make it that simple and painless surely ??
    All you would need in theory is a activation on the brown box if you didn't have one. Note on the brown boxes they used to be and can still be platform specific so need to find out. The reciever will be a minimum of SF1 so ready to go.

    You may need a adaptor cable to from brown box to bulkhead..

  3. #3
    Johnny Class
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    Re: JD green star question

    Would the tractor not have to be auto trac ready as well?
    I have an auto trac 7530 and brown box in another tractor, we had the auto trac going with a demo box once but the dealer was a bit vague if the brown box could get it going

  4. #4
    Clive
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    Re: JD green star question

    receiver is a sf2 ready one

    what would an unlock cost if required

  5. #5
    cp
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    Re: JD green star question

    brown box will work auto on a 6030 serise bur not the new 6r
    you need to plug it in and check on the key card to see what product there are you need 6000 autotra or generic sf2

    info,keycard ,product keys

    and see what product are listed
    also check to see what activation are on the starfire


    if of interest i have for sale a 8000 platorm key card
    and a 6000 platform key card

  6. #6
    s.chiles
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    Re: JD green star question

    I run an autotrac ready 6930 on a brown box, you'll need autotrac activation and the short loom between the brown box and the cab pillar socket. Make sure the tractor is autotrac and hasn't just got a greenstar loom.

  7. #7
    smythricky
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    Re: JD green star question

    Make sure it has the steering valve under the right hand steps for it to work. Our 7430s don't have them installed.

    Richard

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    Michael Greenberro
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    Re: JD green star question

    Why dont John Deere just make this auto steer job easy. As somebody recently looking at systems the JD one as well as being expensive, is extremely difficult to get up and running unless you buy everything off them. Why shouldn't a farmer be able to make use of old and new parts without having to spend extra.

  9. #9
    Clive
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    Re: JD green star question

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Might be as easy to get the Autotrac Universal system if you already have the reciever and brown box then your not reliant on hiring auto trac ready tractors. It was quoted to me last week at just under 2000 for the system and then I would need the receiver and control box on top of that.
    yet to see a steering wheel system really work well yet and I don't really want to spend any capital on what might be a very temp solution

  10. #10
    Rob
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    Re: JD green star question

    Greenstar ready and autotrac ready are two different things
    Greenstar ready is: wired for screen and receiver but no steering valve.
    Autotrac ready is wired for screen and receiver and has steering valve.
    Autotrac ready tractors are easy to spot. They have the autotrac engage button on the armrest/side console
    Am I right CP??????

  11. #11
    Rob
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    Re: JD green star question

    Was just done so you could either lightbar steer or plug in screen to control sprayer etc.......

  12. #12
    cp
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    Re: JD green star question

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    No good for drilling but rolling etc should be ok
    Lee nothing wrong with a ATU for drilling its all in the way you set it
    Up
    Been out drilling beet with it fine

  13. #13
    cp
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    Re: JD green star question

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    Greenstar ready and autotrac ready are two different things
    Greenstar ready is: wired for screen and receiver but no steering valve.
    Autotrac ready is wired for screen and receiver and has steering valve.
    Autotrac ready tractors are easy to spot. They have the autotrac engage button on the armrest/side console
    Am I right CP??????
    Rob
    You are correct ,we did learn you something in the day

    Greenstar is very simple you build the kit to the spec you need
    And to the accracuy you need

  14. #14
    Rob
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    Re: JD green star question

    CP....
    Sounds like lee has that common problem.
    Code 431.... Seat to steering wheel interface error.

  15. #15
    cp
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    Re: JD green star question

    Rob. Lol

    As we have said before its all in the set up

    Glad I don't get the support call

    Lee
    Reads like you have tried the rest so it time to build
    Your own

  16. #16
    Proper Job
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    Re: JD green star question

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Or code 999 'dealer can't set it up either'!
    Your dealer must be a muppet!

  17. #17
    smythricky
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    Re: JD green star question

    Fully agree with lee. Atu steering wheel on sf 1 is rubbish. Wanders all over the place.

    Richard

  18. #18
    fergie35
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    Re: JD green star question

    Quote Originally Posted by Proper Job View Post
    Your dealer must be a muppet!

    Other than one dealer near here, I do not know of any that have a GPS specialist or have any ideas about setting the kit up, they all sell it but most of them are not interested in supporting it. So I can only imagine how annoyed Lee must get.

  19. #19
    Field Track
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    Re: JD green star question

    "Wandering all over the place" is a setting issue, as I've never had a 'signal' wander all over the place. Signal loss maybe, or internal coding issues (something going south) maybe. 99% of the time 'wandering' is a setting and/or environmental combination issue.

    Anyone would be advised to get a GPS specialist in to fix it while on the job. Dealerships don't always have them IMO. You can bitch only so long before getting someone in to resolve the problem period. GPS and settings can be complex at best.

    Saying all this I'm forever tweaking my settings for slope and implement offsets. Key is knowing what affects what. You have to do less the better the correctional signal, as this simply takes some of the variables out of your 'mind'. GPS seldom works out of the box and for the 'ease' auto steer provides the operator must 'learn' how to resolve this and that issue. It is a price worth paying because of the gains. An easier life does have learning costs. Or you could say you swap one hassle for another

    Learn it, or pay someone to help. Freebie dealership 'GPS' person may, or may not be enough. My learning it through hassle, stress and loads of unfathomable reading might have been free but cost me in other ways. Bit like cables. Some days I can be arsed to make one and another I'll happily (well that might be pushing it) pay 100+ for the damn thing.

    I can make a RTK look as bad as Egnos and Egnos look as good as RTK all in the settings. It would be massively wrong to say one GPS brand is better than another on signal alone. All are the same (for the most part) if all the settings were 100% on each machine at any given time. GPS brand differences better, or worse can only be done on feature set and function. When it comes to settings a few things can vary them, so one field might not always suit the settings from another field. The environment does make a difference, as does the job been done.

    At the end of the day if the problem persists get someone in to resolve it.

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    cp
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    Re: JD green star question

    You will fined that a lot of deere dealer has their own Greeenstar specailist now
    as greenstar is a big part of the deere buisness






    BB where service still counts

  21. #21
    Alistair_Nelson
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    Re: JD green star question

    Yes they do but sadly some are better than others having sat down twice with one in our area we went agleader! tried his best but sadly was clueless.

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    CeeJay
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    Re: JD green star question

    Quote Originally Posted by cp View Post
    You will fined that a lot of deere dealer has their own Greeenstar specailist now
    as greenstar is a big part of the deere buisness

    BB where service still counts
    True. But I am not impressed with the knowledge I've seen so far of the Greenstar specialists.... "My" greenstar specialist (who used to work for the distributor) tried to edit greenstar xml files with excel :lolk:... I will easily set up my JD 6430 Autotrac to run circles around those greenstar specialists!

    I bought my JD 6430 with Autotrac, iTC receiver, G2600 monitor. Everything worked fine from day 1. I had to study some manuals to add fields and equipment (and unfortunately they were translated to swedish which makes them rubbish since the translator have no clue of a tractor or farming in the first place... I know nuthin of tractors or farming neither but I don't do translations or work as a Greenstar specialist ).

    I tested a Trimble on a Case Puma and I find the JD solution easier to set up even if it could be even more easy... I prefer having only one vendor for tractor and this kind of equipment due to fewer people/parties to blame...

  23. #23
    Field Track
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    Re: JD green star question

    I'm sure more GPS specialists are coming out of the woodwork and I'm sure some may well exist in dealerships.

    There's also nothing wrong in trying to do it yourself, or cheaply as relatively possible. But at the end of the day there's also nothing wrong with admiting defeat and getting someone in to help resolve and learn what you, or your staff need to know.

    Simple humility always pays off at the end of the day. If there's one thing I have learnt is that no one job, implement, soil, or setting covers all conditions. Soil condition and working depth drastically alter the implement draught, etc. People using GPS need to have a working knowledge of what is going on and how to react to it. Better signal makes it easier to see and account for - that's all.

    What people need from a specialist is the basic settings and what setting tweaks can be made and when, etc.Those on 'lesser' signals also need to understand how correction works and how to deal with the various issues that arise.

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    Agritech_Gizmo
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    Re: JD green star question

    FieldTrack...can I use you on my answer phone message ?

    The key thing to note that accurate steering, autosection, variable rate control etc often show up other faults with the implement, sprayer, tractor etc which is why its hard to get it right the first time. Just a small change in a couple of settings and you can be away again accurately steering, it will take less time than making a phonecall......on the flipside write down the original settings and don't touch anything you don't understand! Nothing more frustrating than having to start from scratch.

  25. #25
    Gothmog
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    Re: JD green star question

    I have a 7530 thats auto track ready.
    mate put in his 2600 screen and SF3000 dome on top and booted it up and all worked and steering way fine.

    So looked at cost of getting kit for myself.
    Told would need 'autotrac sf2 generic key activation generation 2' as well as screen and sf dome.

    quote for sf2 key.. 4000!!!

    thought just needed a yearly license?!?!?!

    this right that need a key for 4k???

  26. #26
    Clive
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    Re: JD green star question

    as i understand things you would need

    a control box - 2600 etc
    receiver - itc or sf3000

    then you can steer on SF1 n0 activation or licence req

    to go sf2 you need activation key = and then a annual licence = more every year

  27. #27
    cp
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    Re: JD green star question

    I have some second hand kits for sale send me a pm

  28. #28
    Gothmog
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    Re: JD green star question

    Quote Originally Posted by Clive View Post
    as i understand things you would need

    a control box - 2600 etc
    receiver - itc or sf3000

    then you can steer on SF1 n0 activation or licence req

    to go sf2 you need activation key = and then a annual licence = more every year
    ahhhh then maybe i forget the key for now and the 10cm accuracy for now and just go with sf1 but with sf3000 incase need to go upgrade at another time.

    daft question.
    if you buy a 2nd hand set-up has it activated and so you dont need the key...??

  29. #29
    Clive
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    Re: JD green star question

    Quote Originally Posted by Gothmog View Post
    ahhhh then maybe i forget the key for now and the 10cm accuracy for now and just go with sf1 but with sf3000 incase need to go upgrade at another time.

    daft question.
    if you buy a 2nd hand set-up has it activated and so you dont need the key...??
    if you buy secondhand you need to know if it has been activated or not - the "key" is not a physical item so you will need to power the unit up to check for activation

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