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  1. #1
    Get off My Land
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    MF 165 buying advice ??

    OK if i was looking at one of these classic Masseys which rough sort of year & or dif type of Engine is one of the better ones to go for ??

    Any Guidance would be v welcomed.

    Thanks

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    agrimax
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    The 4.203 engine was a better starter but the older models with that engine also had dry brakes.Better with the later wet brake,square axle,although you then only have the option of the 4.212 engine which had a bit more grunt.

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    John Maddock
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by agrimax View Post
    The 4.203 engine was a better starter but the older models with that engine also had dry brakes.Better with the later wet brake,square axle,although you then only have the option of the 4.212 engine which had a bit more grunt.
    Agrimax is correct about the wet brakes being better. Were they ever fitted to the 165, or introduced with the 168?

    We rebuilt the hydraulics of my 168 recently, and there was something different about the control valve we fitted. From memory, the housing around the circlip holding the valve together had been redesigned, so the valve could not come apart in situ, with normal wear.

    A tiny component, but a big problem if it failed.

    Don't know how you could tell if the any particular 165 had been modified, without pulling it apart - other than the word of the seller.

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    pudding
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    there was a wet brake one, dad has a 8spd wet brake, his previous one was a 71 dry brake 12spd MP with a 212

    i think in 72 or 73 they went to wet brake?

    165 is a good solid bus, make sure it ticks all the boxes,

    check the MP (park up hill in hi, let off the brake it should hold if it good, will shift hard when you change on the move too)

    i like the old 165's not perfect, but still capable, just know what you are buying

    try for something after 1971

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    Cowabunga
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Around July 1972 the wet brakes and square axle were introduced to replace the nasty dry discs. The link arms also Changed to interchangeable ball ends. The range also saw the introduction of the new premium spec range of '8' the 148, 168 and 188 models and the new 185 to replace the 178

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    hughf
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowabunga View Post
    Around July 1972 the wet brakes and square axle were introduced to replace the nasty dry discs. The link arms also Changed to interchangeable ball ends. The range also saw the introduction of the new premium spec range of '8' the 148, 168 and 188 models and the new 185 to replace the 178
    Surely the 178 replaced the 175 as the 188 replaced the 185 and so on?

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    sawdust
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by hughf View Post
    Surely the 178 replaced the 175 as the 188 replaced the 185 and so on?
    Thought both series were available, the only difference between '8' series and the '5' series was a 6'' spacer to make the 8s longer

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    superspec
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    175 was replaced by the 178 and engine uprated to the 248 in around 1968 to late 1971, 178 has a 3" spacer between the engine and front axle.
    188 has the same front axle spacer and the gearbox spacer and wet brakes.
    185 248 engine but no front or gearbox spacer and wet brakes.


    Ive been trying to find a good original low houred 165 with wet brakes and standard gearbox but they dont seem to come up for sale anymore.
    Its not easy finding a good one as they all seem to have been exported.

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    HotBed
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    get a late model 1975 onwards, it will have MK3 hydraulics, look for the 3 bolt- triangle plate under the back end where you can change hyd strainer filter

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    Cowabunga
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by hughf View Post
    Surely the 178 replaced the 175 as the 188 replaced the 185 and so on?
    No.

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    Cowabunga
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by HotBed View Post
    get a late model 1975 onwards, it will have MK3 hydraulics, look for the 3 bolt- triangle plate under the back end where you can change hyd strainer filter
    These were sold from early 1974 They are more easily identified by the longer PTO shaft.

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    Orcadian
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Get a 185 far better balanced tractor than the 165 which tended to be supplied on too small a rear wheel and didnt give the lift to the front wheels making it front heavy.

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    Get off My Land
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Great Replies sofar thanks fellow forums followers ;-)

    Weve had MF Tractors since they started with the 35 & still have that original one...
    Would never part with it.
    Just fancy a Bigger Square Bonnet model either 165 or higher whatever i can find thats right, i dont mind it being in need of some Paint work etc etc aslong as its all working ok.
    The Search is on....
    Nice Winter Project me thinks....

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    Cowabunga
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Orcadian View Post
    Get a 185 far better balanced tractor than the 165 which tended to be supplied on too small a rear wheel and didnt give the lift to the front wheels making it front heavy.
    165 and 185 are identical in all proportions. The main difference is that an 8 speed gearbox is fitted to the 185 along with stronger rear links and a heady 4000lbs lift force, a 400lb improvement on the 165.
    Of course the 185 is 75hp bs with the 248 engine while the same age 165 is 62hp with the short stroke 212 engine.

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    pudding
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    There were more differences then just a 6 inch spacer between the 5 and 8 series

    the perfect 165 is actually a 168, you have time, hunt for one of those

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    massey765
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowabunga View Post
    165 and 185 are identical in all proportions. The main difference is that an 8 speed gearbox is fitted to the 185 along with stronger rear links and a heady 4000lbs lift force, a 400lb improvement on the 165.
    Of course the 185 is 75hp bs with the 248 engine while the same age 165 is 62hp with the short stroke 212 engine.
    mate has a 185 multi power he got new ,so me thinks gearbox type must have been an option

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    pudding
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by massey765 View Post
    mate has a 185 multi power he got new ,so me thinks gearbox type must have been an option
    yup, i know a 12spd MP 185

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    deere2140
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    A 168 not only had the gearbox spacer but also had the 236 engine ( like a 175/178 ) compared to the 212 in the 165 . I agree that the 8's are much nicer , more room in cab , but not necessarily higher spec , I often drove a 168 with 8 speed box , no IPTO and no power steering .

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    Cowabunga
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by massey765 View Post
    mate has a 185 multi power he got new ,so me thinks gearbox type must have been an option
    8 speed was standard on the 185 with mp as an option. It was mp standard on 8 series with eight or six speeds, depending on model, as optional.

    Other areas had 8 speed 165 tractors but the Uk had to make do with six or mp.

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    Cowabunga
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by deere2140 View Post
    A 168 not only had the gearbox spacer but also had the 236 engine ( like a 175/178 ) compared to the 212 in the 165 . I agree that the 8's are much nicer , more room in cab , but not necessarily higher spec , I often drove a 168 with 8 speed box , no IPTO and no power steering .
    These were delete options. The high-spec tractor range with a poverty-pack if you like.

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    deere2140
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Were the 8's not marketed as Super Specs , or something like that ? We very nearly bought a 148 in 1973 , 8 speed , metal cab , selector valve , it would probably have served us better than the DB885 we did buy:cry:

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    multi power
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by deere2140 View Post
    A 168 not only had the gearbox spacer but also had the 236 engine ( like a 175/178 ) compared to the 212 in the 165 . I agree that the 8's are much nicer , more room in cab , but not necessarily higher spec , I often drove a 168 with 8 speed box , no IPTO and no power steering .
    so whats the difference between a 168 n 178?

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    deere2140
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    The 168 is a younger tractor , fitted with the wet brakes . The 175 and 178 were replaced in 1971 by the 185 and 188 , leaving a gap below for the 168 .

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    5020man
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Is it ?.

    5020 man.

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    superspec
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by multi power View Post
    so whats the difference between a 168 n 178?

    The 178 isn't really a superspec or 8 line tractor. It doesn't have a gearbox spacer but does have a front spacer. It has a larger engine (248) than the earlier 175 which was fitted with 236 engine. Both tractors have dry brakes. and were fitted with 6 speed gearbox as standard, although i think the very last 178 were fitted with an 8 speed box.

    The 168 is fitted with the same engine as the 175 (236) but is uprated to 69 hp. It has a gearbox spacer and wet brakes, fitted with ipto and multi-power as standard. A good tractor but not to many were made compared to the 188/185 and 165.

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    Orcadian
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowabunga View Post
    165 and 185 are identical in all proportions. The main difference is that an 8 speed gearbox is fitted to the 185 along with stronger rear links and a heady 4000lbs lift force, a 400lb improvement on the 165.
    Of course the 185 is 75hp bs with the 248 engine while the same age 165 is 62hp with the short stroke 212 engine.
    Thats as maybe but we had both here at one time and the difference in the two tractors was chalk and cheese and I am not talking about power but balance and it was down entirely to wheel equipment

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    superspec
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Orcadian View Post
    Thats as maybe but we had both here at one time and the difference in the two tractors was chalk and cheese and I am not talking about power but balance and it was down entirely to wheel equipment
    What size wheels did you have on both tractors?
    Im looking for a 165 and i would like 7.50x 16" fronts and 16.9 x 30 or 13.6 x36 rears.

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    KILDARE
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    We had the 165 industrial with the 212 engine .a mf 50 with 236 engine and a mf 65 industrial with 203 engine. It was the best of them all at putting up silage. . The only one that would climb the pit in high 1st.

    A industrial 65 would be a lovely one for the vintage scene as it has power steering,foot trottle and wide wheels as standard.

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    Orcadian
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by superspec View Post
    What size wheels did you have on both tractors?
    Im looking for a 165 and i would like 7.50x 16" fronts and 16.9 x 30 or 13.6 x36 rears.
    7.50/16.9/30 was what I wanted but sales rep said they were far too wide and we ended up with 6.00/16 14/28 bloody disaster did get the rear changed to 16.9/28 after the originals wore out but were still far to small a diameter
    Bit more forcefull when the 185 was ordered and had 7.50/16 and 16.9/34,sales man wanted to fit 16.9/30

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    Penmoel
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    Re: MF 165 buying advice ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Orcadian View Post
    7.50/16.9/30 was what I wanted but sales rep said they were far too wide and we ended up with 6.00/16 14/28 bloody disaster did get the rear changed to 16.9/28 after the originals wore out but were still far to small a diameter
    Bit more forcefull when the 185 was ordered and had 7.50/16 and 16.9/34,sales man wanted to fit 16.9/30
    Sounds like the Duck, but he was not much more than a duckling then surely

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