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    pig fighter
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    Concrete laying kit

    What essential bits of kit should amateurs hire to make a half decent job of laying concrete. Different types of screeds and roller strikers and then various floats and finishing tools seem to be available for not too much weekly hire.

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    foxbox
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    We've always got on well with a vibrating beam and a long handled float, followed if necessary with a home made grooving head to texture the conc if needed.

    Edit: Whatever you hire inspect it really carefully upon arrival. The concreting kit takes a beating and it's not uncommon to find turn buckles which won't tighten, beams twisted or dirty etc before you start. Not only does it make the job 10 times harder but it's a bugger to prove it wasn't you that did it when it goes back

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    hilly bill
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    Vibrating beams are much better than roller strikers imo used a r s to lay my silage pit and wouldnt use one again crap in comparison to a beam , if you want tamp finish just a beam but if you want floated finish a power float is brilliant i helped lay some a couple of weeks ago and got the job of power floating it and it made a fab job just takes a bit of hanging on to whilst panning and a bit of time but comes up lovely

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    pig fighter
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    Is your vibrating beam what plant hire would call a "double beam screed"? It looks like two steel beams with a Honda engine vibrator on top.

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    Fergieman
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    Like this one?


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    foxbox
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    Quote Originally Posted by pig fighter View Post
    Is your vibrating beam what plant hire would call a "double beam screed"? It looks like two steel beams with a Honda engine vibrator on top.
    That's it, make sure they are not twisted when they arrive. Pour the conc roughly level and get some friends to shovel in front of the beam to keep a bead about an inch high running in front of the front beam and you are away!

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    pig fighter
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    Excellent, thanks for the info. Fergieman, did you hire that locally (Northumberland/Borders) or was it a professional contractor doing the job for you with their own kit?

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    Gee
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    Roadform

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    btd-6
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    Bobthebuilder
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    Re: Concrete laying kit

    Quote Originally Posted by pig fighter View Post
    What essential bits of kit should amateurs hire to make a half decent job of laying concrete. Different types of screeds and roller strikers and then various floats and finishing tools seem to be available for not too much weekly hire.
    if just a small job a pair of wellies, good shovel, tamper made out of a bit of fencing rail and a float, if a decent size job leave to the professionals they'll have all the kit they need and save you all the hard work

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    Big Vern
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthebuilder View Post
    if just a small job a pair of wellies, good shovel, tamper made out of a bit of fencing rail and a float, if a decent size job leave to the professionals they'll have all the kit they need and save you all the hard work

    excellent advice Bob, might sound expensive at the time.. but the time you and your blokes have buggered about, mixed it laid it yadda yadda hired the kit cleaned it then spend the next x years looking at it cracking not being level etc youll think wished id got some one to do that.. and your back wont hurt

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    FraserB
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    Quote Originally Posted by btd-6 View Post
    Thats what the guys that lay our concrete use, they can do big areas no problem. You can hire them yourself from A-plant.

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    FraserB
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthebuilder View Post
    if just a small job a pair of wellies, good shovel, tamper made out of a bit of fencing rail and a float, if a decent size job leave to the professionals they'll have all the kit they need and save you all the hard work
    Seeing the guys that do ours laying a 5m x 80m road before dinnertime is some sight. They make it look easy, not so sure it is mind.

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    Steevo
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    Quote Originally Posted by FraserB View Post
    Seeing the guys that do ours laying a 5m x 80m road before dinnertime is some sight. They make it look easy, not so sure it is mind.
    Can say that again! Not always as expensive as you might think either - last time it was less than the cost of the concrete, by some margin.

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    Mo
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    We made a proper tamper out of an old purlin. Steel strip on the bottom fastened with countersunk screws and some "wheelbarrow" handles. Much handier than the beam screeds for small areas. Nice and heavy, just lift and drop.

    Other tool I would buy is a proper alloy concrete rake, or spazzle, easiest way to move concrete about and doesn't separate the gravel like a normal rake.

    Or as someone with no diy skills once said to me, "only need one thing in my toolbox, a credit card".

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    Right-arm fast
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    Quote Originally Posted by btd-6 View Post
    Weve just laid a fair bit of concrete and use one of these - gets the fat up and not much more. Twin beam sitting on the road forms either side seemed to be the easiest way to get it nice and level.

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    PNB
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    i drove a readymix truck for a couple of years, i never saw a professional using a vibrating screed, it is a skilled job leave it to someone with the skills, they make it look easy, when you try it it is not,

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    Badshot
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    Just seen a firm lay a grainstore floor, 140 foot by 65 foot. Panel walls already up, shuttering round the outside of the building, 130 cube done by teatime with those laser guided motorised screeds, they did say if the lorries had been better organised they would have been done by lunch. They finished power floating at about midnight and it is now like glass, you can actually see the reflection of the shed in it. It is quite possibly the levellest floor I have ever seen, cracking good job. They came and cut for the expansion joins next morning and will come back in a few weeks to seal them up.

    Not cheap but boy it looks the business.

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    lamplighter2
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    Quote Originally Posted by hilly bill View Post
    Vibrating beams are much better than roller strikers imo used a r s to lay my silage pit and wouldnt use one again crap in comparison to a beam , if you want tamp finish just a beam but if you want floated finish a power float is brilliant i helped lay some a couple of weeks ago and got the job of power floating it and it made a fab job just takes a bit of hanging on to whilst panning and a bit of time but comes up lovely
    +1 for beam makes a cracking job. if you then want it smooth as per post power float. and as other post before you do job go and look at kit you are hiring some is in a right state and should not be hired.

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    Mr Muck
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    We did 5 tanker loads last week to replace some worn out high traffic areas in yards, used the bell easy screed thing, wasnt that impressed, you need someone beside you with a rake to take your foot steps out, ok for small jobs. Shuttering and a vibrating beam has worked well for us in the past. Doing 6meter bays with a 360 digger placing the concrete in and pulling the screed with a couple of us with rakes worked very well.

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    Rust
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badshot View Post
    Just seen a firm lay a grainstore floor, 140 foot by 65 foot. Panel walls already up, shuttering round the outside of the building, 130 cube done by teatime with those laser guided motorised screeds, they did say if the lorries had been better organised they would have been done by lunch. They finished power floating at about midnight and it is now like glass, you can actually see the reflection of the shed in it. It is quite possibly the levellest floor I have ever seen, cracking good job. They came and cut for the expansion joins next morning and will come back in a few weeks to seal them up.

    Not cheap but boy it looks the business.
    How deep do they cut the joints ?

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    Mo
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    We had contraction joints cut in our drive/yard to just above the reinforcing, you don't want to cut through the metal as then the panels can move independently...

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    peasantman
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    Slightly off topic but how much consildation do we need on the base before the concrete is laid.

    We put down a layer or 3" down then rolled it with heavy grassland roller, then a layer 2" down then same roller, then 1" down and roller again. Loadall does not make an impression in it now, but I am worried a fully load cement mixer wagon might. Is it worth hiring one of those vibrating rollers?

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    Richard
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    Quote Originally Posted by peasantman View Post
    Slightly off topic but how much consildation do we need on the base before the concrete is laid.

    We put down a layer or 3" down then rolled it with heavy grassland roller, then a layer 2" down then same roller, then 1" down and roller again. Loadall does not make an impression in it now, but I am worried a fully load cement mixer wagon might. Is it worth hiring one of those vibrating rollers?
    Yes, the difference is surprising.

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    mbsrhol
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    Re: Concrete laying kit

    Quote Originally Posted by peasantman View Post
    Slightly off topic but how much consildation do we need on the base before the concrete is laid.

    We put down a layer or 3" down then rolled it with heavy grassland roller, then a layer 2" down then same roller, then 1" down and roller again. Loadall does not make an impression in it now, but I am worried a fully load cement mixer wagon might. Is it worth hiring one of those vibrating rollers?
    Wacker plate just as good if it is for a smallish area.

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    foxbox
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Yes, the difference is surprising.
    They really do put it down tightly, if you bugger up the base you may regret it for a long time if your lucky, alternatively it may not take long to come back and bite you. A few extra quid on a roller will be worth it, and they are quite fun to drive too

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    foxbox
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rust View Post
    How deep do they cut the joints ?
    We generally cut to about 2" in a 6" slab

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