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    Any chance of a bit of help please ?

    Decided to fit 2 new 20-10-8 tubeless tyres to the ride-on mower. They arrived today and I'm struggling to get them to seal so that I can inflate them. I have tried a ratchet strap and that didn't help. They are only 4 ply. Can anyone give me any tips please on how to get them to seal. I don't really want to have to go and buy tubes.

    The picture are just as the tyre and wheels are, one taken from one side of a wheel and the other taken from the other side of the same wheel. How do I get them out to the rims please ? TIA for any advice/tips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaza View Post
    Decided to fit 2 new 20-10-8 tubeless tyres to the ride-on mower. They arrived today and I'm struggling to get them to seal so that I can inflate them. I have tried a ratchet strap and that didn't help. They are only 4 ply. Can anyone give me any tips please on how to get them to seal. I don't really want to have to go and buy tubes.

    The picture are just as the tyre and wheels are, one taken from one side of a wheel and the other taken from the other side of the same wheel. How do I get them out to the rims please ? TIA for any advice/tips.

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    I have also had problems with tubeless tyres sealing - but not because the beads would not seat.

    After many fruitless attempts to make my tyre seal reliably, i gave up and took the wheel to the local tyre dealer, who applied some sort of sticky sealant, solving the problem. Getting the beads to even meet the rims looks like a job for a specialist.

    I've heard (and seen on Youtube?) of a small amount of petrol vapour being exploded in the tyre to drive it onto the rim, but jeez....
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    Re: Any chance of a bit of help please ?

    Quote Originally Posted by john maddock View Post
    I have also had problems with tubeless tyres sealing - but not because the beads would not seat.

    After many fruitless attempts to make my tyre seal reliably, i gave up and took the wheel to the local tyre dealer, who applied some sort of sticky sealant, solving the problem. Getting the beads to even meet the rims looks like a job for a specialist.

    I've heard (and seen on Youtube?) of a small amount of petrol vapour being exploded in the tyre to drive it onto the rim, but jeez....
    I have seen that too - a small amount of starting fluid - normally though it was for large truck tires, not a lawn mower .

    I always remove the valve core when trying to inflate a tire that has had the bead broken and I have used silicone on the bead (between the tire & rim bead) to get racing slicks to seal after they have taken air.

    I have also "forced" the on the shorter short bead so there wasn't as much space to have to get the tire to the bead.

    Some tire shops (on this side of the pond) have an "air bomb" that forces a lot of air into the tire between the tire and the wheel pushing the tire onto the wheel

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    Re: Any chance of a bit of help please ?

    Thanks guys but I've been thinking. As can be seen the tyres are pressed in throughout the centre line of the tread. I reckon that the manufacturers compress them so that the complete tyre becomes much thinner, i.e. so that the walls touch each other. This would save an enormous amount of space for shipping purposes, these particular tyres are from Indonesia. I think I need to somehow get that indentation out of the centre line of the tread. I don't normally have a problem with tubeless tyres. I always take the valve core out for initial inflation and I have used a ratchet strap in the past. The latter has to be done very carefully of course.

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    The above shot shows the indentation of the centre line of the tread. If I could get that out the walls would be nearer the wheel rims.

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    Re: Any chance of a bit of help please ?

    Bang on about the shipping being the cause of your woes! I have seen some done up in bundles all strapped up. Back when we ran trucks Goodyear 10.00x20 tyres were bad like this which we put down to being stacked.

    I'd be wary of the lighter fuel trick, gung-ho types swear by it but like a lot of these tricks theres a fair bit of skill and luck in getting all the factors right to get success

    Normally you could try a strap to pull the tread in and beads out but yours are already way in too far for that to work. Worth a try could be putting a tube over one rimbead so its between the steel bead and the tyres bead, you'd need one perhaps like a 4.00-8 wheelbarrow tube and blow that up enough to seal (using tyresoap if available) and then try inflating the new tyre.

    I think your easiest bet is to take it into a tyre depot and get them to use a "cheeta" to pop the beads out.

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    Re: Any chance of a bit of help please ?

    Mmmm. Thanks FF. I think I'll try the smaller tube method first. I have a few small tubes, Haybob, wheel barrow etc. I did try wrapping a plastic 50kg fert. bag round the rim between the rim and tyre wall but of course it was not possible to get it airtight like you could with a tube. I don't like things like this gaffering me so a visit to the tyre shop is the last resort. If you were closer I'd be round for a coffee like a shot.

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    we do it with road compressors , take the valve out and put rubber pipe going to our small compressor then get to hoses of the road compressor and point them into the bead . you sometimes need to alter the angle a bit but you get there eventually

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    Re: Any chance of a bit of help please ?

    I had to concede. I tried the wheelbarrow tube dodge and that didn't work. So I took the tyres & rims to a well known national tyre supply and fit company.They tried to blow them on with a Cheetah type of machine. Quite a few attempts on both tyres but they couldn't get them to fill out. So as a last resort I took them to Farmers Tyre at Burnt Heath Farm. Offchurch. Nr. Leamington Spa. I'm about 15 miles away. It took the lads about 2 minutes to do each tyre, again with a Cheetah type machine.

    I'm not related to the Moreton family, neither do I have any financial interest in the business but I was astounded as to how helpful they were. Remember, I didn't buy the tyres from them but they still helped me out of the dark and sticky. I used to deal with them when farming a larger acreage and contracting and it was a growing business then. I was amazed how big a concern it is now. Years ago it was a very large well respected family farming business, I know they used to grow about 600 acres of spuds as well as the rest of the arable side of things. They also became the importers for Steiger tractors and quite a few appeared around the country. They could not have been more helpful and pleasant to me today.

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