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    This world gets crazier!
    Farming Today programme suggests that 50000 cows in Northern Ireland will be slaughtered as the the Southern Ireland would put tariffs on the milk. Probably as well as the UK should put tariffs on all that Kerrygold and cheese and buy New Zealand instead.
    all part of project fear!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    This world gets crazier!
    Farming Today programme suggests that 50000 cows in Northern Ireland will be slaughtered as the the Southern Ireland would put tariffs on the milk. Probably as well as the UK should put tariffs on all that Kerrygold and cheese and buy New Zealand instead.
    all part of project fear!
    jack caley
    under WTO rules if we put tariffs on European Dairy product , we will also have to put it on NZ as well.
    However I am certain we will go back to the good old days before 1974, when the whole world dumped dairy on us and we virtually only produced liquid milk, except for a bit of surplus in the Spring.
    Trouble is I doubt the Government will bring back the MMB
    it does not look good for livestock
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    Fits nicely with the Vegan driven UN stop eating meat campaign.
    Spent the morning trying to calculate just what % of the arable crop in the UK is consumed by Red meat animals.
    Take out Brewing, Bread making, Biscuit making, Distilling, Poultry feed......OSR isn’t grown primarily for animal consumption....
    Comparatively small % of the total actually ends up in Red meat animals.
    The bit that is forgotten is just how vital Red Meat is to the populations general health.
    But by the time the truth has got its “boots on”..........

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    Not sure how the hill farmers round here will get on growing wheat 🤔they will need to lash on the bagged fertiliser if theres no dung/slurry , will that help reduce carbon footprint to ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exfarmer View Post
    under WTO rules if we put tariffs on European Dairy product , we will also have to put it on NZ as well.
    However I am certain we will go back to the good old days before 1974, when the whole world dumped dairy on us and we virtually only produced liquid milk, except for a bit of surplus in the Spring.
    Trouble is I doubt the Government will bring back the MMB
    it does not look good for livestock
    I could be wrong, but that is the whole crux of the matter, the British government will not put tariffs on European products. If they only would , it would immediately bring the Europeans in to line, their businesses would soon put the politicians in their place.
    I can never see the conservatives bringing back the MMB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    Fits nicely with the Vegan driven UN stop eating meat campaign.
    Spent the morning trying to calculate just what % of the arable crop in the UK is consumed by Red meat animals.
    Take out Brewing, Bread making, Biscuit making, Distilling, Poultry feed......OSR isn’t grown primarily for animal consumption....
    Comparatively small % of the total actually ends up in Red meat animals.
    The bit that is forgotten is just how vital Red Meat is to the populations general health.
    But by the time the truth has got its “boots on”..........
    I listened to both farming Today and the Today programme. It is amazing how little these people know about agriculture, especially the woman from Canfield university. She has obviously never actually worked in farming.
    In my opinion we ought be keeping more sheep, not less and using grazing animals to provide much needed red meat, not to mention sheep to replace man made textiles.
    The trouble is that these things become the accepted norm, how does one put the true picture nowadays, to the so called environmentalists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    I listened to both farming Today and the Today programme. It is amazing how little these people know about agriculture, especially the woman from Canfield university. She has obviously never actually worked in farming.
    In my opinion we ought be keeping more sheep, not less and using grazing animals to provide much needed red meat, not to mention sheep to replace man made textiles.
    The trouble is that these things become the accepted norm, how does one put the true picture nowadays, to the so called environmentalists?
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    Jack
    apparently one of the ingredients to make Rayon is wood fiber pulp - the pulp from a local mill is transported (cargo ship) half way around the world to India - I wonder how "green" / "carbon neutral" this is?

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    it's an interesting conundrum, one proposal we heard this side of the pond is that the whole island of Ireland will be one as far as food production/exports/imports is concerned. However I can't see the DUP agreeing to this......yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5000man View Post
    Jack
    it's an interesting conundrum, one proposal we heard this side of the pond is that the whole island of Ireland will be one as far as food production/exports/imports is concerned. However I can't see the DUP agreeing to this......yet.
    The eu will only accept that if does not violate their protectionism, the crux of the matter.It is not the DUP who are the problem, it is the eu.
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    Re: Irish cows

    Operation fear in top gear.
    Watched Newsnight when this subject was brought up. I was horrified at the complete twaddle spoken, the woman journalist kept referring to 'what an expert said' funnily enough this mysterious expert was never named.
    The journalist omitted that the milk processing factories in the south of Ireland need the norths' milk else they would have to close.
    No mention was made of actual total dairy cow numbers (IN EXCESS OF 310K) but continually repeated the imminent cull of 45K cows (only 14% of total).
    These people forget that business is carried out by people not politicians nor bureaucrats.
    With the devaluation of the pound all WTO tariffs are negated and exports are highly competitive, imports more expensive. Win, win as far as I can see.
    But let's not let the truth stand in the way of a good story.
    Jeremy Corbyn will save us anyway, JC same initials so is this to be the second coming?

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    All this while the Eu wants to sign a deal with Mercusor (S.America) to import even more beef. An extra 99,000t (at preferential tariff rates) on top of the 270,000t already coming from there. Are they planting trees or still clearing forests?

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    Good to see that Boris is coming over for a visit to Dublin, at least it shows that he realizes that Brexit will affect Ireland more than the rest of what is left of the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5000man View Post
    Good to see that Boris is coming over for a visit to Dublin, at least it shows that he realizes that Brexit will affect Ireland more than the rest of what is left of the EU.
    I cannot understand why Boris is even coming,Varadkar has ruled out any negotiation anyway. It looks like Boris is begging like Teresa, and with Boris being knifed in the back by Dominic Grieve from France, he looks weak anyway.
    The only way is no deal, and then Varadkar will have to build a wall.
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    Absolute lunacy...
    The generation that have farmed in a Ireland enjoying all the benefits and freedoms of a non existent border are faced with utter disruption to satisfy the political egos of a small clique of extreme right wing of society.
    Beyond their wildest dreams they managed to persuade enough of the “easily led” (I use the phrase delicately) to vote for ........? Freedom....? .....A better life......? Give the establishment a kicking?
    Raising a taxing border between Ulster and The Free State is the epitome of the lunacy that is prevailing in our political society.
    Akin to placing a taxing border between Yorkshire and Lancashire.....in their time neither got on very well but over the years sensibility has prevailed.
    Ulster...Free State is identical, only over a much shorter period of time!
    Political egos versus the ability of hard working individuals either side of the border to continue to reap the rewards of their labours.....or face financial ruin to satisfy the political egos of an extreme right wing clique. Whose guff promises a bright new Golden future just over the horizon.

    Lunacy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    Absolute lunacy...
    The generation that have farmed in a Ireland enjoying all the benefits and freedoms of a non existent border are faced with utter disruption to satisfy the political egos of a small clique of extreme right wing of society.
    Beyond their wildest dreams they managed to persuade enough of the “easily led” (I use the phrase delicately) to vote for ........? Freedom....? .....A better life......? Give the establishment a kicking?
    Raising a taxing border between Ulster and The Free State is the epitome of the lunacy that is prevailing in our political society.
    Akin to placing a taxing border between Yorkshire and Lancashire.....in their time neither got on very well but over the years sensibility has prevailed.
    Ulster...Free State is identical, only over a much shorter period of time!
    Political egos versus the ability of hard working individuals either side of the border to continue to reap the rewards of their labours.....or face financial ruin to satisfy the political egos of an extreme right wing clique. Whose guff promises a bright new Golden future just over the horizon.

    Lunacy!
    Sorry, Gee, but it is not the right who are wanting the border, in fact the reverse. It is an obstruction tactic by the fat cat politicians in Europe allied to Varadkar who recognises the opportunity of some parts of Southern Irish society to take over the whole of Ireland. Europe made Teresa's agreement, she just accepted it. It is the protectionist, corrupt Europe who want to put any obstruction possible in the way of Brexit. It is fairly obvious we want free and unrestricted trade, as does Europe even more than us, their balance of trade is at risk even more than ours, that is why there is a slight glimmer of sense coming from the Europeans, now that Boris is standing up to them, which as a remainder, Teresa did not want leave.
    In any case, if there were to be a hard border the Irish would be able to revert to old tactics and make a fortune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    Sorry, Gee, but it is not the right who are wanting the border, in fact the reverse. It is an obstruction tactic by the fat cat politicians in Europe allied to Varadkar who recognises the opportunity of some parts of Southern Irish society to take over the whole of Ireland. Europe made Teresa's agreement, she just accepted it. It is the protectionist, corrupt Europe who want to put any obstruction possible in the way of Brexit. It is fairly obvious we want free and unrestricted trade, as does Europe even more than us, their balance of trade is at risk even more than ours, that is why there is a slight glimmer of sense coming from the Europeans, now that Boris is standing up to them, which as a remainder, Teresa did not want leave.
    In any case, if there were to be a hard border the Irish would be able to revert to old tactics and make a fortune.
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    Jack you are right to a point about trade, however the boot will b e on the other foot if EU citizens and others start flooding though this border, after all this is why so many people voted for Brexit. When that happens the clamour will come for a wall and it will not be from the South!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exfarmer View Post
    Jack you are right to a point about trade, however the boot will b e on the other foot if EU citizens and others start flooding though this border, after all this is why so many people voted for Brexit. When that happens the clamour will come for a wall and it will not be from the South!
    You have a good point. Wherever you go there is a snag!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    Absolute lunacy...
    The generation that have farmed in a Ireland enjoying all the benefits and freedoms of a non existent border are faced with utter disruption to satisfy the political egos of a small clique of extreme right wing of society.
    Beyond their wildest dreams they managed to persuade enough of the “easily led” (I use the phrase delicately) to vote for ........? Freedom....? .....A better life......? Give the establishment a kicking?
    Raising a taxing border between Ulster and The Free State is the epitome of the lunacy that is prevailing in our political society.
    Akin to placing a taxing border between Yorkshire and Lancashire.....in their time neither got on very well but over the years sensibility has prevailed.
    Ulster...Free State is identical, only over a much shorter period of time!
    Political egos versus the ability of hard working individuals either side of the border to continue to reap the rewards of their labours.....or face financial ruin to satisfy the political egos of an extreme right wing clique. Whose guff promises a bright new Golden future just over the horizon.

    Lunacy!
    Just a further comment!
    It has been pointed out to me that there are more than 3000 miles of open border around the EU, but it is just convenient to use the Irish border as a barrier to us leaving the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    Just a further comment!
    It has been pointed out to me that there are more than 3000 miles of open border around the EU, but it is just convenient to use the Irish border as a barrier to us leaving the EU.
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    Jack the open borders around the EU are with Switzerland and Norway, both pay heavily into the EU coffers, and as effective members they allow free travel and trade. The EU would be very happy for us to continue under this Norway model.
    The Swiss deal is slightly different but free passage through Switzerland is crucial to the EU , more important than any financial payment, as I am sure you are aware of every time you pick up one of your mill mixers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exfarmer View Post
    Jack the open borders around the EU are with Switzerland and Norway, both pay heavily into the EU coffers, and as effective members they allow free travel and trade. The EU would be very happy for us to continue under this Norway model.
    The Swiss deal is slightly different but free passage through Switzerland is crucial to the EU , more important than any financial payment, as I am sure you are aware of every time you pick up one of your mill mixers!
    What about the borders with Turkey,Ukraine, Croatia etc?
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    Lack of a member state at the other side!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    Lack of a member state at the other side!
    Precisely, but they must be just about the same problem as Ireland, the ability to smuggle across the border. Nobody seems to be bothering about them. The Irish question is just a ruse by the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    What about the borders with Turkey,Ukraine, Croatia etc?
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    These borders are defended as part of that country's entry deal with the EU . Some of them will take from hours to days to cross especially for freight into and out of Turkey.
    the only open borders the EU has with external countries, are those with Switzerland and Norway
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