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    end of red diesel

    Just noticed that next week the chancellor is due to make an announcement on red diesel, it is no longer going to be available as a cheaper fuel. it costs the government over 2bn annually. So fill your tanks up now folk.

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    Re: end of red diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by rangerover View Post
    Just noticed that next week the chancellor is due to make an announcement on red diesel, it is no longer going to be available as a cheaper fuel. it costs the government over 2bn annually. So fill your tanks up now folk.
    On this side of the pond they did away with coloured fuel decades ago - too much was being used for non-approved purposes (i.e. purple gas in snowmobiles, . . )

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    Re: end of red diesel

    If it does change there will still be an agricultural rebate you will reclaim it quarterly rather like VAT
    A similar system is used in various EU countries.
    It sounds like it would be difficult for them to know if fuel was used in a tractor or road vehicle, or even sold on to an acquaintance .
    They probably haven't thought it through very well...

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    Re: end of red diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
    If it does change there will still be an agricultural rebate you will reclaim it quarterly rather like VAT
    A similar system is used in various EU countries.
    It sounds like it would be difficult for them to know if fuel was used in a tractor or road vehicle, or even sold on to an acquaintance .
    They probably haven't thought it through very well...
    Are you sure about the rebate?
    If they do stop red diesel, this morning they said it will amount to 3 billion?
    If that is correct, on top of losing 3 billion in payments, that is a very considerable blow to farming. Can we add it on to sale pric.
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    Re: end of red diesel

    Hmmm
    Bit of a story going around that Farming will continue to be able to use Red.....but all others will not.

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    Re: end of red diesel

    Read that piece on Agriland, also the piece on animal welfare. All sorts of experts on the panel, not one farmer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    Read that piece on Agriland, also the piece on animal welfare. All sorts of experts on the panel, not one farmer!
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    Typical, rules and regulations made about farming by those who don't know their a** from their elbow, and certainly wouldn't know the difference between a sheep and a goat.

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    Re: end of red diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Caley View Post
    Read that piece on Agriland, also the piece on animal welfare. All sorts of experts on the panel, not one farmer!
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    What a surprise, not.

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    Re: end of red diesel

    I think it is still up in the air and one of many different revenue streams the chancellor will be looking at.
    It would be handy for paying for continued agricultural support
    The government likes nothing better than taking with the left and handing it you back 6 months later , and saying look how generous we are
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    Re: end of red diesel

    If they do make a change it seems unlikely to start immediately, what would they do with the red stock at refineries and depots.

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    Re: end of red diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
    If they do make a change it seems unlikely to start immediately, what would they do with the red stock at refineries and depots.
    I am not sure how they do it over there but on this side of the pond when we had the "purple" tinted gas it was just a dye the delivery driver would pour into your tank before he would pump the fuel in your tank

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    Re: end of red diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
    If they do make a change it seems unlikely to start immediately, what would they do with the red stock at refineries and depots.
    Pretty sure it is added at the depot pre delivery.

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    Re: end of red diesel

    WHat else is actually the same stuff then, I though there was more sulphur in it than is allowed in green partly as a way to get rid of it.
    Anyway he's on now will soon know

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    Re: end of red diesel

    For red diesel changes got to 38.57 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cNNsYmtQyc

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    Re: end of red diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
    WHat else is actually the same stuff then, I though there was more sulphur in it than is allowed in green partly as a way to get rid of it.
    Anyway he's on now will soon know
    Depends who you get it from.....lot of problems up here a few years ago......apparently (allegedly) there was a little too much Kero added to the mix. (Allegedly)
    Did a lot of damage. Farm use in the main.

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    Re: end of red diesel

    Well no change thankfully. however regarding the fuel itself. The bulk of UK farm fuels are supplied by Certas in one way our another.
    Agricultural fuel oil specs although similar to DERV do indeed only have to meet some pretty basic standards although it is all low sulphur
    .One thing it does have in it is recycled cooking oil, it is this which has been blamed for so much of the issues on farms over the last 18 months.
    We will all remember issues with supermarket fuel a few years back, this was much to do with them sourcing it from the cheapest source possible and one of the cheapest suppliers is Certas. It has become this since it was using considerable quantities of Cooking oil. The main suppliers BP Shell etc. wanted nothing to do with it.
    All fuel as we know has to contain a percentage of bio fuel in it. When they purchase bio fuel to add to diesel, petrol etc , they receive credits which have to match their supply of fuel. All Bio fuels are far more expensive than that dug out the ground except cooking oil which many people pay to have taken away.
    However with the large companies refusal to touch the stuff with a long barge pole, the government offered double credits for its use, and still does.
    This means any company using cooking oil up to its max actually have credits to sell to the large companies so they can use these credits instead of actually including bio fuel.
    but where can companies like Certas sell this fuel if the supermarkets will not take it, simples, Joe Carrot cruncher up the road who will buy anything cheap. In fact this market is so small that the big companies are not really interested in supplying it
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    Re: end of red diesel

    It sounds like those who didn't panic buy over the past week or so may get a good deal over the next few weeks due to the substantial fall in oil prices anyway.

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    Re: end of red diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
    It sounds like those who didn't panic buy over the past week or so may get a good deal over the next few weeks due to the substantial fall in oil prices anyway.
    Sorry, it was me who started the whole debate It was done only with good intention, sincere apologies.

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    Re: end of red diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
    It sounds like those who didn't panic buy over the past week or so may get a good deal over the next few weeks due to the substantial fall in oil prices anyway.

    Budget day always makes me think of the late Dick Wilder, last proper owner/chairman of John Wilder Ltd, He lived in Caversham, the posh side of Reading, on Budget day as he headed to the Reading Cattle Market depot, he would call into his wine merchant and pick up a box of his favourite scotch to pre-empt any tax hike the budget may contain. On the few years when duty wasn't increased, he'd call in again on his way home, drop the scotch back for the merchant to cross off his account!!
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    Re: end of red diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
    It sounds like those who didn't panic buy over the past week or so may get a good deal over the next few weeks due to the substantial fall in oil prices anyway.
    Just an FYI - on the other side of the pond, I am glad I bought fuel for my d1500 - down to less than $1.00 / liter (cdn) on Wednesday - up $.10/liter on Thursday in New Brunswick (east coast). At my daughter's in Ottawa it was less than $.85 / liter on Wednesday evening

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    Re: end of red diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by rangerover View Post
    Sorry, it was me who started the whole debate It was done only with good intention, sincere apologies.
    NO apologies necessary - this is an important topic for ANY business which uses a substantial amount of ANY product or commodity - fuel, fertilizer, electricity, labour, . . .

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    Re: end of red diesel

    Matter of time.....
    They will be back.

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