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    Just heard rumors of a 600 cow unit loosing half its heard in one hit? Anyone able to confirm this and what kind?

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    310 in two tests!

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    Local farm to us.

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    What payment do you get for a TB reactor?

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    Re: Massive TB breakout?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilts` View Post
    Just heard rumors of a 600 cow unit loosing half its heard in one hit? Anyone able to confirm this and what kind?
    if you were in wales that wouldn't be massive

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    Anyone know what TB testing frequency they were on - how devastating! Too many to lose and carry on farming?

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    I've just been told by a TB specialist, that another herd has gone down from being clear, to 1 in 3 cattle being reactors, over 90 out of 300. I also know a butcher who had the farmer's wife on the phone in tears about it. And, just to add to the pain, an incidence of a flock of sheep being hit, not just the odd one, but quite a batch of ewes. He had a picture of them waiting to be slaughtered, all very thin.

    I think TB is looking extremely worrying.

    We just had an IR twice so was culled. It was a steer ready for the butcher and we got 1143 which for us isn;t bad because ours are small'ish, but for others it would not be any good.
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    Some awful days work in that for all involved.

    Hopefully with number gone all that need to go are rounded up. The only thing worse than the scale of the hit is for it to drag on and on.

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    Re: Massive TB breakout?

    Quote Originally Posted by dinderleat View Post
    Local farm to us.
    What area?

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    I am deverstated for these people and all involved with the farmWe are tested every 60 days 1 clear test in 6 yearsThe current system is not working.. I'm sick of it .. I'm also sick of the red tape and the work involvedNo amount of checking passports.. Restricting movement ect is workingI hate these people from animal health this is our livley hood .. They get paid no matter what and are not arsedWe don't even have Internet access yet where told to do everything on lineI feel sorry for the old boys who been farming for years with all this new rules regs ectWe are supposed to be farmers not tied to a desk filling out paperworkFor a stystem that is a load of bolloc&sThey need to cull end of

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    Re: Massive TB breakout?

    Not the same scale - but bigger impact, heard from AHVLA staff member of a 120 cow herd losing 93 in one test in Midlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinderleat View Post
    Local farm to us.
    Is it not possible to please include at least some indication as to which part of the British Isles you come from. Honestly, it's getting really irritating not having a compulsory field we all have to fill in - plenty of widgets for drop down locality selector...

    so what if it's 'local' to you - meaningless to the rest of us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by greysides View Post
    Some awful days work in that for all involved.

    Hopefully with number gone all that need to go are rounded up. The only thing worse than the scale of the hit is for it to drag on and on.
    It's hardly going to improve while wildlife is untouchable is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wed View Post
    What area?

    Somersetshire methinks.

    i heard the same story - but one of the hauliers taking them away reckons it was 93, not 300.

    No doubt the full horror will come out in due course.

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    It's hardly going to improve while wildlife is untouchable is it?
    No, I would agree with you. It's just that within the existing situation where all that is being tackled is the disease within the cattle, it is still better that whatever numbers are going to go before it will end go sooner rather than be spread out over a long time span.

    To put those thoughts in better perspective.... we are tackling badgers in areas where there seems to be an 'area'-problem but not widespread culling.
    Most farmers I have contact with will not be down for much longer than minimum. Maybe an extra test, sometimes two. A few will be locked up for a year or a bit more before being able to be de-restricted.
    I have known occasional circumstances where herds were locked up for the better part of three years.

    Some herds will go down once, get clear and stay clear. Other herds will be up and down quite regularly due to the area they are in- but they will most likely go clear at some point for a while before succumbing again.

    The pattern most regularly seen is herds being locked up in the second-half of the grazing season on and coming clear, at least for a while, during the winter housing period.
    Thankfully, I have never been in the situation where I have tested for someone locked up for 6 years.

    So, in the circumstances I'm most familiar with most people will be clear again in a reasonably short time frame (compared to 3 years or 6 years). Even in those circumstances it is often the length of time they are locked up for rather than the number of reactors they have that cripples them the most.

    My attitude once a test isn't going to be clear is to make every attempt to remove all the infection in the one swoop and avoid the game of snakes and ladders.

    My hope for the farm in the OP is that with that scale of numbers gone that all the infection will have been taken out in the one go.

    The worst numbers I personally have come across was, IIRC, 51 reactors out of a little over 200 cattle. I had to return to the office for extra reactor tags as it was well in excess of my wildest dreams.
    I took out any animal that was in anyway suspicious. Nothing else would have been sensible.
    The lesion report showed half of those down showed lesions, well in excess of what might be expected.
    The herd was, unbelievably, de-restricted after the subsequent two tests were clear and they stayed clear for a good while after- while I still worked in the area.
    It wasn't me that did the follow up testing, I was never allowed set foot in the place again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinderleat View Post
    Local farm to us.

    Well that's helpful, thanks for adding to the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    Not the same scale - but bigger impact, heard from AHVLA staff member of a 120 cow herd losing 93 in one test in Midlands.

    May be the same herd , heard of 77 in a milking string of 130 , mostly milkers going I think .This was on gamma interferon , 20 on skin done alongside . Organic . Previously two year testing . Barrener went and had lesions . Neighbours had 5 reactors - they share a big badger sett . Poor buggers . This is Cotswolds - Glos/Oxen .

    Was also told ( farmer gossip ) that "most " of the sheep ( cull ewes ) in Herefords are full of TB , but that its being covered up ( they wouldnt want that can of worms opened ! ) ....... Discuss ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by arf View Post
    Was also told ( farmer gossip ) that "most " of the sheep ( cull ewes ) in Herefords are full of TB , but that its being covered up ( they wouldnt want that can of worms opened ! ) ....... Discuss ??
    That's much what I was told by an extremely reliable and knowledgable source. I was shown pictures of the lesions which were terrible, worse than usual in cattle, and also pictures of the sheep about to be slaughtered, which were in poor condition. Having just decided to concentrate on sheep, I was well pleased. There may be gossip and stories get messed up, but the basics are correct from what I've been told.

    PS (edited) ... To be clear, I was not told that it was being covered up, just that sheep had TB and it wasn't just one or two. And I wasn't told the precise location either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clive Tee View Post
    That's much what I was told by an extremely reliable and knowledgable source. I was shown pictures of the lesions which were terrible, worse than usual in cattle, and also pictures of the sheep about to be slaughtered, which were in poor condition. Having just decided to concentrate on sheep, I was well pleased. There may be gossip and stories get messed up, but the basics are correct from what I've been told.
    Not good

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    It's not good, but could be - the more people and pets that now go down with Tuberculosis the more likely the stupid gov is to get off its collective ass and do something about the AR brigade now effectively running the country.

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    Nothing will be done about eradicating TB until domestic pets start to be badly effected by it.

    Then the few 'pro badger' supporters will be so outnumbered that things will progress without delay.


    Hopefully our area is still clear, especially as we have a whole herd test starting tomorrow.

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    I think if it is spreading to sheep and can be confirmed, that's a big, big story and would shock the general public if publicised effectively. Sheep are seen as nice and friendly and in many people's eyes, not far behind mr stripey in terms of appeal, and they are more numerous.
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    Sheep are seen as the wall-eyed Devil himself by plenty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clive Tee View Post
    I think if it is spreading to sheep and can be confirmed, that's a big, big story and would shock the general public if publicised effectively. Sheep are seen as nice and friendly and in many people's eyes, not far behind mr stripey in terms of appeal, and they are more numerous.
    Do the government pay the costs of tb testing in cattle, and how much does this cost per beast?

    It the govt do pay they are less likely to start testing Britain's 40 odd million sheep as the costs would be huge and maybe they will really make a start tackling the problem in wildlife instead.

    Having said that I would really prefer this not to affect sheep as I have a large badger population on my farm and neighbouring dairy farms have had reactors in the last 6 months.

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    I was referring to one in Somerset, bloody terrible, you can't plan for that can you! can't halve the staff wages till/if you replace


    Glad we went clear week before last as all farms round us seem to have it

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    Just caught up with this thread.
    Sympathy to those caught up in these big losses. We are under restriction again after a 2x IR - a pedigree bazadaise

    To questions asked so far:

    Any mammal can catch TB, including humans. Sheep are becoming quite badly affected, especially older breeding sheep. Why wouldn't they be. This was one flock which hit the headlines, there are many more:
    http://bovinetb.blogspot.co.uk/2010/...ore-sheep.html

    Restrictions are the same, testing the same but no compensation of which I'm aware. Alpacas get a flat rate of 750 / head.

    There is a link in this posting to a PCR screen of 3 sheep abattoirs, with interesting results.
    http://bovinetb.blogspot.co.uk/2012/...old-medal.html

    And links to the dumbing down by AHVLA of their own figures of other species spillover:
    http://bovinetb.blogspot.co.uk/2012/...christmas.html

    Testing cattle and other species is paid for the Tax payer. Vets are paid on a sliding scale for the number of cattle / sheep / alpacas/ pigs/ bison, deer tested + mileage.
    In England, compensation is paid for reactor cattle on a tabular basis with categories for pedigree or non- pedigree and by age.
    http://www.defra.gov.uk/animal-disea...sation/cattle/

    In Wales it is still by valuation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greysides View Post
    The worst numbers I personally have come across was, IIRC, 51 reactors out of a little over 200 cattle. I had to return to the office for extra reactor tags as it was well in excess of my wildest dreams.
    I took out any animal that was in anyway suspicious. Nothing else would have been sensible.
    The lesion report showed half of those down showed lesions, well in excess of what might be expected.
    The herd was, unbelievably, de-restricted after the subsequent two tests were clear and they stayed clear for a good while after- while I still worked in the area.
    It wasn't me that did the follow up testing, I was never allowed set foot in the place again.
    They were well pissed off, no doubt. Human nature to allocate blame on 'someone' rather than 'something' these days unfortunately. Probably always has been. Probably the same reactions and feelings were seen back in the days of Brucellosis eradication. At least there was a vaccine for cows in that case and there wasn't a carrier out in the wild as far as I remember.
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    so crossing over in to sheep OK so whats the carryer or the reson for it spreading i know you can't knock over the badgers but i take it every one is trapping and killing cats ferrets rabbits and any other carryers they can and doing thing to make the stripy one not welcome or feed

    the costs for the testing would just come from a levy put on to all sheep same thing should be happening with cattle

    if they took the badgers off the list i can't see the culls going to work fully too much other wild life
    realy should be coming in test any reactors down the road and then test all farms around the area then a blanket cull job down to a low % of wildlife .. here still pockets of reactors mainly due to large bush areas harder to control the wildlife and large travel distances of that wild life 5-10 km

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    At a recent meeting Peter Kendal said that the reason The NFU were not pushing for a lifting of the protected species status on Brock was that a vote in The House would almost certainly fail. If this is the case then they (the NFU) should be pushing for gassing and sett destruction in trial areas instead of just shooting and trapping.Total eradication in trial areas would prove (to me) whether or not we are barking up the right tree. If this is effective then resources can be channeled far more effectively. If not then we will know we have to look elsewhere.

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    Well, tested today- first 60 day test after going down for first time ever for me.
    Sadly 1 cow was a reactor, so that extends things on another 60 days at least

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