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Thread: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

  1. #1
    devils advocate
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    Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Quite rare now.

    But we have a couple of 2wd tractors & like them escecially for spraying, if it is too wet just drop out & use the 4wd.

    Less power loss & less to perhaps repair in future years & cheaper to buy.

    Also handy for reversing into the stable yards we deliver to, sharp turns when mowing, haybobing, baling, hoeing, slug pelleting.

    Agree no good for pulling 14 ton loads out of water logged fields.

    Shame the sliding weight block never caught on.

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    Tullyvernon
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    2wd is very handy around the yard, I always liked the mf 185 on the feeder wagon.

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    Red Bull
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Yes, i think they're very under rated, our MF6245 2wd is often first choice for a lot of lighter jobs such as rolling, harrowing, spraying, rowing, tedding, yard brush and the job it was bought for, the straw chopper.

    I'm still kicking myself that i didn't buy a low houred MF6260 i saw for sale last year to go on the feeder wagon.

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    john8210
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Very underestimated nowadays, we have nothing but 2 leggers here and we are by no means on the flat! As said cheaper to buy and far handier around the yard and as said, good at headland turns. It makes a better driver out of you, you have too think before you go there. The only trouble we have with them is the occasional downhill runaway lol.

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    Fifer
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Yes, have a Deutz DX3.90, cracking tractor for the light jobs, do wonder when I see a 120hp tractor on a Haybob!

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    Cowabunga
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Not underestimated at all. They are not as versatile as equal size 4wd tractors. Hence the comment about substituting them for 4wd when conditions dictated, which is in itself confirmation of their deficiency.
    There is also the traction and safety advantage on slopes and on slippery grass.
    The manoeuvrability advantage is marginal to non-existant these days also.

    There can be a small saving in running costs for running a 2wd in some conditions, but not all conditions and not much.

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    JohnB_IE
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    We have a 2wd mf 390,although not a great tractor for traction,its a very handy tractor for a lot of jobs,very nimble around shed pillars.Fairly comfortable on the road too.As said you have to pick your spot around hills and wet spots.

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    Red Bull
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Had our 6245 pulling 12 ton silage trailer no problems at all, makes you wonder why the contractor needs a NH7030 to pull the same size trailer. That of course is on a nice dry first cut, a wet maize harvest would be a different matter.

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    Cowabunga
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Bull View Post
    Had our 6245 pulling 12 ton silage trailer no problems at all, makes you wonder why the contractor needs a NH7030 to pull the same size trailer. That of course is on a nice dry first cut, a wet maize harvest would be a different matter.
    My 100hp 5445 does the same. But it is 4wd and has eight 55kg weights on the from to pull up the hills. Only when conditions allow and it really is not in the same output class as the 150+hp tractors on the same job. The chopper has to slow down for it up those hills with a fairly loaded trailer for instance.
    A 2wd wouldn't stand a chance and would and was confined to the tedder and rake or an 8 ton trailer at most. It would never be acceptable on this land for hauling besides a SPFH even if it [the tractor] had a good power shift transmission.

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    michael7740
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Bull View Post
    Had our 6245 pulling 12 ton silage trailer no problems at all, makes you wonder why the contractor needs a NH7030 to pull the same size trailer. That of course is on a nice dry first cut, a wet maize harvest would be a different matter.
    I can remember, probably 15 years ago now, a contractor cutting silage for me had two Fiats drawing in the grass. Both 4wd, but the 4wd wasn't working on one of them. They both worked away side by side all day, until a light shower left the ground greasy. It soon showed the advantage of 4wd, with the one with only 2wd failing to climb a slight hill, while the one with 4wd just glided past it. It sold the idea of 4wd to me that day!

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    Red Bull
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Yes, i accept on hills it wouldn't stand a chance but in the right conditions it was doing the exact same job as a 7030 and probably on less than half the diesel.

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    chips
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Surely to spec a new tractor with 2wd would be madness , any perceived saving in running cost would be lost many times over when you came to trade it in .
    Even on yard jobs it's good to have 4wd for those icy mornings pulling the tub mixer , the 4wd 3050 I had on it last winter would turn tighter than a lot of 2wd

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    Red Bull
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Fiats, did someone mention Fiats, i used to pull 10 ton silage trailers with a Fiat 640 when i was of school age, our only 4wd at that time was on the pit.
    With that size trailer you really didn't want the silage sticking in the trailer as you tipped.

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    essexpete
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Presumably why the septics still run quite alot of 2WDs on duals but then perhaps the situations are very different. I even used 4wd this year on the baler in a couple of places. I would not want to be without the choice even with Essex slopes, no real draught work and low annual tractor hours.

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    Red Bull
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Quote Originally Posted by chips View Post
    Surely to spec a new tractor with 2wd would be madness , any perceived saving in running cost would be lost many times over when you came to trade it in .
    I wouldn't be too sure of the rsidual value, there are that few sold that a good second hand is extremely hard to find. As i mentioned in a previous post, i regret not buying a MF 6260 i saw for sale, i may well never see another good 6200 series 2wd for sale, it wouldn't be too hard to find a 4wd though.

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    Cowabunga
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Quote Originally Posted by chips View Post
    Surely to spec a new tractor with 2wd would be madness , any perceived saving in running cost would be lost many times over when you came to trade it in .
    Even on yard jobs it's good to have 4wd for those icy mornings pulling the tub mixer , the 4wd 3050 I had on it last winter would turn tighter than a lot of 2wd
    Depends on the size of the thing. 2wd tractors are quite acceptable up to a maximum of 80hp but bigger ones, especially ones above 100hp are discounted heavily.
    Only about 1% to 2% of new agricultural tractors have been sold as 2wd during the past two decades. There is only a slightly bigger demand for them as used tractors and that mostly for specialist, mainly yard work.

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    Condi
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Bull View Post
    Yes, i accept on hills it wouldn't stand a chance but in the right conditions it was doing the exact same job as a 7030 and probably on less than half the diesel.
    So you buy 1 slightly more expensive tractor which will run in all conditions, or 2 tractors, one of which is slightly cheaper to run and one which will cost about the same.

    Personally I would rather have the 1 - it'll be cheaper than running 2 any day!

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    Red Bull
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Quote Originally Posted by Condi View Post
    So you buy 1 slightly more expensive tractor which will run in all conditions, or 2 tractors, one of which is slightly cheaper to run and one which will cost about the same.

    Personally I would rather have the 1 - it'll be cheaper than running 2 any day!
    It didn't really work like that, i have a choice of 4 tractors to hitch to 2 trailers, on good ground conditions the 2wd will do just as well as the bigger 4wd's, it was used because it was available and was up to the job, if conditions had been different it wouldn't have been used.

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    Mayo
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Christ no, they are hopeless. Even in yard work, you bring a half heavy load of silage down a slippery concrete yard without 4wd on in a smaller machine and feel it try to slide about.

    Modern tractors of such size and power like the T7030 are not much more expensive than smaller versions really and really do make a mockery of most jobs. Big silage trailers on fat tyres take serious pulling and you want something that isn't bossed about so much and can get a move on uphill on the road etc. I admit it takes a lot less skill to operate them though, but you can get anywhere in confidence in them. Also less tiring to drive as less gear changes and so forth. Often wonder if you guys have rose tinted glasses sometimes. Yes everyone loves a classic but would you really want to go back to ford 7000s and so forth? A few weeks flat out with a synchro 7810 or something would drive me mad. The ultimate was a go in a CVT Fendt and then. JD, no clutch at all, do more whilst saving fuel and mechanical grief, gentle smooth shuttling no need to scream the engine, I envy those I see in the seat sometimes.

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    pudding
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    my fathers MF390 is 2wd, he does all his spraying, baling, mowing, raking, windrowing, rowcrop work with it, he loves it, its perfect, i think it does about 600hours a year in these applications, his ground work tractor is a mtx125, and it is 4wd and has the loader, and if he needs another tractor, there is a MF188 and my little 4wd minitaurus he pulls out of the shed to keep the nieghbours guessing. i must admit his requirements don't involve pulling large trailers, his tractors do field work, where they belong

    there are lots of 2wd late model green ones here, cropping farmers like them for rowcrop work, and vineyards (but there is a lot of small 4wd's working in vineyards too) i guess its the special applications that still use 2wd, don't see many dairy farmers here using them as loader tractors :lolk:

    reidy still has a couple 2wd tractors, he's not completely mad.

  21. #21
    part_timer
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    I remember doing some trials years ago at ag college comparing the traction between a standard 2wd tractor, 4wd tractor and correctly ballasted 2wd tractor with correctly set tre pressures all ploughing and the results were impressive, even more so when we watched a video of people who actually knew what they were doing carrying out the same experiment.

    However, I still would'nt want to go back to 2wd now....

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    BeefBoy
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    The trouble with 2wd is that few people under the age of about 40 know how to drive them properly.

    Remember having a hell of a job trying to explain, to a lad, the concept of putting the diff in, not touching the brakes and using the spool lever for extra engine braking going downhill.

    That said 4wd is obviously much safer, especially for less experienced drivers but, as part_timer says, 2wd can do most jobs perfectly well it's just that they've been overcome by the sheer size of alot of modern equipment.

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    KMA
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Quote Originally Posted by part_timer View Post
    I remember doing some trials years ago at ag college comparing the traction between a standard 2wd tractor, 4wd tractor and correctly ballasted 2wd tractor with correctly set tre pressures all ploughing and the results were impressive, even more so when we watched a video of people who actually knew what they were doing carrying out the same experiment.

    However, I still would'nt want to go back to 2wd now....
    Therein lies the problem , we're on the lookout for a smallish 2wd as a 2nd tractor for round the yard, the rake, tedder, small wrapper and occasionally the small baler. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be without a 4wd tractor but I do think 2wd tractors are underated which was the OP's question.

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    barleybasher
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    There are a few oddball big 2WD's kicking about.

    I have seen a Ford TW15 and I think even an NH 70 Series, probably some dodgy american spec.

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    Clive
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    My dad often says that we once coped (just 20 years ago) just fine with 2wd and nothing bigger than 90hp on the farm

    if it could be done then I'm sure it could be done now !

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    scrambler
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Interesting thread. We used to be all 2wd. When we had our first 4wd, a JD 6400, one of the most noticeable differences was the much better ride. The larger front wheels travel so much better over rough ground. I had plans to convert our MF3060 by changing the rear 16.9/34's for 18.4/38's and put larger front wheels on to keep it level. I forget what size would have worked, but I'm sure it would have improved the tractor, and the steering lock wouldn't have altered at all.

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    john432
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    When we ( over 45's?) learnt to drive tractors, on 2 wheel drives, one had to learn how to read the conditions, slope, load etc, and work out how to safely, and with out churning up a field get the job done. Today's youngsters in their 150hp 4 wheel drives are fine on level dry fields, but put them on damp slopes, and there they are fully loaded diff locks on, ruts evrywhere going up the steep end of the field!

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    kmac
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Being in North America we still have lots of 2wd tractors but I don't think you'll find many people arguing they are better. I like small open station 2wd's for raking and tedding hay but the ground is dry enough by then.

    In the winter you can get by on frozen ground with norse chains for traction but come spring the farm yard needs 4wd on the loader tractor no matter what.

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    ladycrofter
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowabunga View Post
    Not underestimated at all. They are not as versatile as equal size 4wd tractors. There is also the traction and safety advantage on slopes and on slippery grass.

    +1 ours slips on heavy dew on the hillside. JD2650. I'm sure it could pull a train uphill on dry ground, but just useless otherwise. We never put a front loader on for safety reasons - too much weight on the front would eliminate whatever traction you've got on the back tyres. Have to use the 3CII for feeding bales, bit of overkill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clive View Post
    My dad often says that we once coped (just 20 years ago) just fine with 2wd and nothing bigger than 90hp on the farm

    Yes in the old days a lot of crofters around here were hurt and a few killed on 2WD tractors sliding down the hill and turning over. You only have to hit an unseen rabbit warren and that's the end of it.

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    rc mx110
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    Re: Do we under estimate 2wd tractors

    Quote Originally Posted by devils advocate View Post

    Shame the sliding weight block never caught on.
    Whats that then?
    was it on the front?

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