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    Why is it that over the last few years everybody has decided that you have to have two of the blinding things because one inches away just isn't enough and that they must be on at all times especially at night when towing a normal trailer or nothing at all . I followed a 50 k tractor home the other night ,so hardly slow, mandatory twin beacons on the roof and now this isn't chav enough they have to have a bloody LED one on the trailer , fair enough wide loads or if you've had to park up on a nasty stretch of road, escorting wide vechicles, hedgebrushing, dual carraigeways etc,but they just have them on all the time so everybody just ignores them making them useless when really wanting to warn motorists of wide loads, but it's worse than useless ,at night when they seem to delight in switching them on to feel self important they just blind you making it very difficult to see how straight the road ahead is and whether it's safe to overtake especially that LED one which was just like having a torch shone in your eyes every other half second and if travelling in the opposite direction to them at night it makes it very difficult so actually see if they do on that very rare occasion have something wide on the back . To be honest I'm far more likely to be aware of a wide load coming on a tractor if it has it's hazards on as they don't seem to use the hazard lights for a dick waving competition only if there is a genuine hazard , unfortunately this means no turn signals but thanks to the beacon brigade this is now the only option left and as such I think either beacons should be banned or instant 1 month ban for improper use as I'm sure they cause far more accidents than they ever save . Apologies to everybody who uses them sensibly but you seem to be getting in the minority !

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    Pretty annoying only really use mine on the jcb as it tends to be slow on the road the three other tractors share one beacon between them and it stays in the toolbox boy local to me has been seen with twins and flashing led rows and full work lights on on a fastrac rolling Ffs

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    over the last few years in dorset it seems like it has become the norm for every young lad to drive round with their beacons on all the time even if their just in the tractor with no implement on the trouble is when you actually have them on for a reason no one takes a blind bit of notice because of these idiots

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    I can understand it out on the roads,but leaving them on doing fieldwork is stupid.And as for little plastic flags fixed to cab roofs.........
    I'm turning into a grumpy old man on the quiet

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    Re: Bloody Beacons

    One foot in the grave comes to mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfceddie View Post
    ovtrouble is when you actually have them on for a reason no one takes a blind bit of notice because of these idiots

    This.

    New MFs coming on over a certain speed is bollocks too.

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    Re: Bloody Beacons

    the infection has spread to ni with some cases having 2 beacons and a bar beacon on at one time, its only to let the neighbours see you,re working late,

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    Quote Originally Posted by zsnotdead View Post
    the infection has spread to ni with some cases having 2 beacons and a bar beacon on at one time, its only to let the neighbours see you,re working late,
    Yes soon b that time of year when we will c 160hp tractors with twin lights and bar light out rolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanta View Post
    Yes soon b that time of year when we will c 160hp tractors with twin lights and bar light out rolling.
    Lets hope they forget and go under a low tree

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanta View Post
    One foot in the grave comes to mind
    Yes I realise that perhaps it's due to turning 40 , have your fun and I have no objection to all your flags , number plates in your windscreen so everybody knows your name, big whip antenna etc but the fact is beacons are very dangerous at night ,worse I would say than someone not dipping their lights to oncoming traffic and so you're right it's very close to one foot in the grave for the poor motorist get dazzled by the things, struggling to see if it's safe to over take

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    Must admit I nearly always use a beacon when I'm on the road, gives less of an excuse for the idiot car drivers to say they din't see me. I use a xenon set which are not as blinding. Always try to remember to switch them off when in the field though, especially at night, nothing worse for the driver on the forager or combine than to be blinded by beacons.

    My biggest pet hate is idiots running with all the ploughing lamps on, especially rear ones. They seem to think because they can see they can be seen, when in fact all they are doing is blinding other road users

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrek View Post
    Must admit I nearly always use a beacon when I'm on the road, gives less of an excuse for the idiot car drivers to say they din't see me. I use a xenon set which are not as blinding. Always try to remember to switch them off when in the field though, especially at night, nothing worse for the driver on the forager or combine than to be blinded by beacons.

    My biggest pet hate is idiots running with all the ploughing lamps on, especially rear ones. They seem to think because they can see they can be seen, when in fact all they are doing is blinding other road users
    First you said your xenon becons are not blinding then you said you turn them off so the combine driver is not blinded, has the combine driver got over sensetive eyes ?

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    its better to have 2 beacons on the roof , often if you have something high on the back like a hedger one beacon often cant be seen by cars coming up behind you because its hidden behind it . also if you have 2 and your out working on the road or running up and down duel carriage ways if a bulb blows on one you dont notice it the other one is still there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Recycled View Post
    its better to have 2 beacons on the roof , often if you have something high on the back like a hedger one beacon often cant be seen by cars coming up behind you because its hidden behind it . also if you have 2 and your out working on the road or running up and down duel carriage ways if a bulb blows on one you dont notice it the other one is still there
    Thats ok if it isnt hidden by the hedger you should really have three just in case

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrek View Post
    Must admit I nearly always use a beacon when I'm on the road, gives less of an excuse for the idiot car drivers to say they din't see me. I use a xenon set which are not as blinding. Always try to remember to switch them off when in the field though, especially at night, nothing worse for the driver on the forager or combine than to be blinded by beacons.

    My biggest pet hate is idiots running with all the ploughing lamps on, especially rear ones. They seem to think because they can see they can be seen, when in fact all they are doing is blinding other road users
    Wrong ,beacons are more blinding than the lot at night , it's the on and off that that means your eyes can never adjust and cars are far more likely to hit you trying to judge the gap between you and the hedge on narrow roads , yes idiots leave work lights on ,but they tend to just shine down in one place but beacons seem to blind you where ever you look and following those trailer ones right at eye level is very annoying . It is in fact illegal to use them on normal roads unless taking a wide load , they are good for very slow work like hedge brushing but other than that they are a menace and the spread of light from them means there is a cat in hells chance of not being able to see a single beacon mounted high ,but you can put twenty of the things on if you like in the day time but at dusk or night they are plain dangerous and unfortunately this seems to be the very time they love switching them on as the lights must entertain them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrek View Post
    Must admit I nearly always use a beacon when I'm on the road, gives less of an excuse for the idiot car drivers to say they din't see me. I use a xenon set which are not as blinding. Always try to remember to switch them off when in the field though, especially at night, nothing worse for the driver on the forager or combine than to be blinded by beacons.

    My biggest pet hate is idiots running with all the ploughing lamps on, especially rear ones. They seem to think because they can see they can be seen, when in fact all they are doing is blinding other road users


    hate that here too, most tractors have one beacon that they never use, only me on baler or mower man these have changed to led latley as i find the can be seen clearer but not as blinding. most drivers only use working lights instead so now i remove fuse or relay to limit it, they mintain it is to get a better view of the road, if u cant seen with the main lights on dont be there, often thought of wiring them into main beam with switch override, but the drivers never do any important work to need them.

    beacons mean nothing anymore, but then no tractor no matter what u have on or escort vehicle gets them to slow down, truckers have the same problem, think people have got used to tractors but they dont notice that the equipment has gotten bigger over the years.

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    This subject seem to come up every 3 months , personally I don't know what the problem is as a rule of thumb the lads with two beacons tend to have better lights in general , Like tail lights, trailer lights etc, in fact usually what appear at least be cleaner better maintained equipment. my bone Of contention is the Farmers and contractors although mainly farmers who seem to think that if they switch on a flashing light it exempts them from having to have any other lights fitted that actually work ! Trailers being driven along with with a load of Bales past dark with no lights at all except one beacon on the cab roof not visible from behind and that is usually broken and not rotating !!!!
    to start moaning about someone who has two lights seems pretty petty to me , I do accept you point about the trailer lights that can be of putting , you don't say what size of trailer it was but on a duel carriageway the beacon should be visible from 360degrees by law so on a large grain trailer there should be one on the back a flat trailer would also need one if it was loaded with something that hindered the visibility of the tractor ones like a load of bales and the problem would probably be if the led lights are wired by a 7 pin plug they would probably not be switchable unless connected to the side lights hence if it was dark they would be on.

    oh an by the way I am neither young nor have any vehicle with twin beacons !!!!!

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    When drivers reach the age of 40,beacons,flags,big cb arials are replaced with a more mature satellite guidance system
    Luckily low branches knock that crap off as well

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    My company vehicle has twin beacons, I use them sparingly and make sure all the lights work on what ever I'm pulling. Rules is rules and all that. The new 7600 has automatic beacons which the operator doesn't like and quite right too. I've never been bothered by the flashing lights as a road user and being in the industry when I see miss=used beacons, CB aerials, the steering wheel attendants name on a number plate and rigger boots it is normally time to drive defensively. These armatures give the industry a bad name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chips View Post
    Why is it that over the last few years everybody has decided that you have to have two of the blinding things because one inches away just isn't enough and that they must be on at all times especially at night when towing a normal trailer or nothing at all . I followed a 50 k tractor home the other night ,so hardly slow, mandatory twin beacons on the roof and now this isn't chav enough they have to have a bloody LED one on the trailer , fair enough wide loads or if you've had to park up on a nasty stretch of road, escorting wide vechicles, hedgebrushing, dual carraigeways etc,but they just have them on all the time so everybody just ignores them making them useless when really wanting to warn motorists of wide loads, but it's worse than useless ,at night when they seem to delight in switching them on to feel self important they just blind you making it very difficult to see how straight the road ahead is and whether it's safe to overtake especially that LED one which was just like having a torch shone in your eyes every other half second and if travelling in the opposite direction to them at night it makes it very difficult so actually see if they do on that very rare occasion have something wide on the back . To be honest I'm far more likely to be aware of a wide load coming on a tractor if it has it's hazards on as they don't seem to use the hazard lights for a dick waving competition only if there is a genuine hazard , unfortunately this means no turn signals but thanks to the beacon brigade this is now the only option left and as such I think either beacons should be banned or instant 1 month ban for improper use as I'm sure they cause far more accidents than they ever save . Apologies to everybody who uses them sensibly but you seem to be getting in the minority !
    Absolutley spot on. This willy waving contest really annoy me too, I suppose when you think about it it's only kids trying to re-affirm their position in the pecking order, but don't realize that the sensible ones among us would rather they just did their job with minimal fuss and attention seeking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henarar View Post
    First you said your xenon becons are not blinding then you said you turn them off so the combine driver is not blinded, has the combine driver got over sensetive eyes ?
    ...because the combine / chopper driver is sat with his eyes almost exactly at beacon level and very close too.

    I know all about it.

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    I'm sure I read somewhere that the beacons have to be turned off after you go over 20 mph because anything over that speed doesn't legally need them
    ( ie lorries) and beacons are for slow moving transport tractors ( below 20mph)
    I think it was in the farmers weekly a while back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by banjo View Post
    I'm sure I read somewhere that the beacons have to be turned off after you go over 20 mph because anything over that speed doesn't legally need them
    ( ie lorries) and beacons are for slow moving transport tractors ( below 20mph)
    I think it was in the farmers weekly a while back!
    Most wide loads on the motorway or main roads have beacons lit.

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    Lad that works for me must have the top 4 worklamps on, the 2 handrail worklamps on and the headlights, its a wonder nobody on the road hasn't been blinded by now. They are so bright people can't see any beacons that are on from the front - he loves it

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    We use these http://www.kramp.com/shop-es/en/1928...e+-+Pole+Mount

    They don't blind anyone when they get in close, because the bulb sits so low down in the base, yet can be clearly seen from a distance. Much less likely to get damaged as well, which is why we got them.

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    Not so bothered about the orange flashing twat brigade, obviously two beacons simply identifies you as twice the twat.
    Having work lights on while on the road REALLY does piss me of. Extremely dangerous and also highly illegal. A while back
    the local NFU office did send round a note to this effect. If young lads want to draw pc plods attention they're going the right way about it.

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    Yes-they even gone to leaving them on it fields now as well ? Some people have GOT to be seen ????

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    yep,bin there,done that as a lad with tractors n pickups,but now see the tits with too many tits as an irritation and another axe to grind with joe public (and they are our puppet master).I tell the boys to only use lights n beacons when needed to warn, not as a standard leave the yard switch on or as said it becomes usless.last I heard and correct me for being wrong but beacons where for slow and wide vehicles and compulsory on an A road? rear facing white lights are elligal when on the road? as for the led's on the back of trailers im on the fence,seems new builds just slap em on as a gimmick,handy if there angled wright?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie75 View Post
    yep,bin there,done that as a lad with tractors n pickups,but now see the tits with too many tits as an irritation and another axe to grind with joe public (and they are our puppet master).I tell the boys to only use lights n beacons when needed to warn, not as a standard leave the yard switch on or as said it becomes usless.last I heard and correct me for being wrong but beacons where for slow and wide vehicles and compulsory on an A road? rear facing white lights are elligal when on the road? as for the led's on the back of trailers im on the fence,seems new builds just slap em on as a gimmick,handy if there angled wright?

    I thought it compulsory when on dual carrigeways, also there is a requirement for them to be seen both from the rear and the front, hence our Bateman RB25 had a small LED flashing beacon on the back as its possible to blot out the cab mounted one with the boom cover when roading (mini beacon now replaced with a square flash led after water got in and wrecked the original) Many trailer manufacturers are putting the LED flashing light on tail boards of very tall trailers for the same reason. Around here on the A34 there have been some bad accidents where drivers rear end trailers thinking that they are a HGV, not a slow travelling Ag trailer until it too late.

    Only other quirky thing about dual carriageways is it used to be a requirement for the escort of a wide load/vehicle to follow behind on dual carriageways with the appropriate warnings, again because of the rear ending risk.
    When back to single carriageways escort has to be in front...........................a manoeuvre that is nearly impossible unless your in the middle of the night and have all the road to yourselves



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    Quote Originally Posted by Footsfitter View Post
    I thought it compulsory when on dual carrigeways, also there is a requirement for them to be seen both from the rear and the front, hence our Bateman RB25 had a small LED flashing beacon on the back as its possible to blot out the cab mounted one with the boom cover when roading (mini beacon now replaced with a square flash led after water got in and wrecked the original) Many trailer manufacturers are putting the LED flashing light on tail boards of very tall trailers for the same reason. Around here on the A34 there have been some bad accidents where drivers rear end trailers thinking that they are a HGV, not a slow travelling Ag trailer until it too late.

    Only other quirky thing about dual carriageways is it used to be a requirement for the escort of a wide load/vehicle to follow behind on dual carriageways with the appropriate warnings, again because of the rear ending risk.
    When back to single carriageways escort has to be in front...........................a manoeuvre that is nearly impossible unless your in the middle of the night and have all the road to yourselves



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    FF is quite right. Law says something like vehicles which can't do more than 25mph must use a flashing beacon when travelling on a dual carriageway with a speed limit of over 50mph and rule says that beacon must be visible through 360 degrees at a reasonable distance, whatever that is. It is up to the driver whether he/she uses a beacon(s) at other times. I still think everything that gives idiot drivers less chance to say "I didn't see him" or "I didn't realise it was a tractor" is worth using.

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