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    Agric. machine or Historic Vehicle ?

    Had a letter from DVLA today saying that they have received information from the Post Office that the tax class of one of my tractors has been changed to Historic Vehicle. The tractor in question is a bona fide small MF runabout that's useful for haybobbing, topping etc. that is 40+ years old but still very capable of a decent days work.

    A tax disc with the new tax class on it accompanied the letter and they say that they are sending a new V5C. For some reason I'm not happy with this. We run it on red whether in the fields or on the road at present and I have a sneaking suspicion that the concession will be removed from Historic Vehicles if it hasn't been already. And is there a possibility that the Nil rate be altered at some time ?

    I would welcome comments please.

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    Re: Agric. machine or Historic Vehicle ?

    Most of mine are on historic vehicle. It was fantastic when it came out as it was free tax and tractor tax back then was around 35. Don't think having it as historic will affect anything
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    Re: Agric. machine or Historic Vehicle ?

    I'd prefer it was kept as agric vehicle, that's what it is so why class it as anything else.

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    I expect it is because they all become Historic Vehicle once reaching a certain age. I would be very surprised if any concessions were removed from any Historic Vehicles.
    The purpose is to reduce costs by reducing paperwork not to trick you into having to buy white diesel.

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    Re: Agric. machine or Historic Vehicle ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis View Post
    I expect it is because they all become Historic Vehicle once reaching a certain age. I would be very surprised if any concessions were removed from any Historic Vehicles.
    The purpose is to reduce costs by reducing paperwork not to trick you into having to buy white diesel.
    Interesting replies. Thanks to all of you.

    But I actually have an older tractor that is still in the Agric. Machine taxation class. Could you explain how it is going to reduce paperwork please ? Call me cynical if you like but for some reason I smell a rat.

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    It doesn't reduce paperwork. The people at Swansea claim it does and so score some kind of brownie points with the public as they are seen to be trying to save costs. In actual fact it probably produces even more paperwork thus keeping them employed and creating another job for their mate/kids etc.
    Most people would be delighted to find their vehicle now in a Historic tax class as it is free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis View Post
    Most people would be delighted to find their vehicle now in a Historic tax class as it is free.
    So is Agric. Machine and they can be run on red as long as it is for agricultural purposes and certain other specified concessions.

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    Re: Agric. machine or Historic Vehicle ?

    My IH 454 was moved from Agric Machine to Historic vehicle when I first got it 4 years ago. I discussed this on the phone with the DVLA and I had them confirm that running on RED and no MOT would be ok. I have both these things confirmed from them so I was happy. I also asked if I could move it back to Agric Machine if needed later on, and they said this should be OK too.

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    Re: Agric. machine or Historic Vehicle ?

    The saga proceeds :

    Today I spoke to DVLA. They say that it is automatic that when a vehicle that comes up for re-taxing which was originally registered prior to 01/01/1974 that the taxation class is changed from Agric Machine to Historic Vehicle. So then I asked about the rebated fuel position. "Nothing to do with us, that's HMRC"

    So I 'phone HMRC. At first I was told, because he was reading from the relevant rules, that any tractor that runs on the road has to use non-rebated fuel (I kid you not) !!!!
    So I tell him that tens of thousands of farmers are comitting an offence by doing so. I suggest that he either does a bit more reading or puts me through to a senior person. He chooses the former and reads all about the use of rebated fuel in ag. vehicles while engaged in agricultural activities on the highway, plus of course the few concessions. He then admits that he will have to consult a "specialist" on the subject who will call me back.

    I am currently awaiting the call but I'm not holding my breath.

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    Re: Agric. machine or Historic Vehicle ?

    When the North East part of Northern Ireland was hit with severe snow drifting which literally buried hundreds of sheep and cattle alive a few winters back, local farmers went out road clearing, using whatever plant they could lay their hands on (teleporters, tractors with front end loaders, tractors with yard scrapers, tracked diggers etc etc), the HMRC bravely backed up by the oh so correct PSNI, (PSNI = what is presented as a police force in N. Ireland), went out to investigate whether these farmers vehicles were being used or not for agricultural purposes, and whether rebated fuel was being used. Given the gravity of the situation prevailing at the time, and the massive distress that farm animals were under, the actions of these "jobsworths" really was an illumination to all of us, just how petty and how detached from reality, and how devoid of human compassion, many government officials really are.

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    Re: Agric. machine or Historic Vehicle ?

    I think you are over complicating things zaza.
    Just carry on as you were and ignore them.

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    Re: Agric. machine or Historic Vehicle ?

    a) can't see anyone testing a tractor to check if it is on red or white

    b) maybe an advantage as you sort of have a one use get out of jail card to use the tractor for whatever you like on the road (as a Historic Vehicle) go shopping in it for example LoL


    In all seriousness this is just something the DVLA computer is spitting out, ignore and carry on

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    Re: Agric. machine or Historic Vehicle ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einstien View Post
    b) maybe an advantage as you sort of have a one use get out of jail card to use the tractor for whatever you like on the road (as a Historic Vehicle) go shopping in it for example LoL
    I went to the Dentist on the old MF165 the other week all be it en route to a show/carnival. It can occasionally be found in booths car park as well. And I have two cars in the garage!

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    Re: Agric. machine or Historic Vehicle ?

    I'm in the process of registering an old Dexta I've just bought, to be able to do this I had to contact the Ford & Fordson Association to get confirmation that the tractor was right, numbers all matched and indeed confirmed it was made in 1961.
    I did have the old brown log book with original reg number but that wasn't enough for the dvla

    Right part of the letter i received from the FFA stated

    "I have taken advice from the DVLA and am told that if it was built prior to 1963 it should be Agricultural Machine if that is it's use or Historic Vehicle if destined for shows and the like"

    I bought it for log splitting hauling a log trailer out of the fields and the odd tractor run with mates, I've put on the V55/5 Agric Machine

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