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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ade-chief.html

    The source may not be to everyone's taste....but it was the easiest one I could find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ade-chief.html

    The source may not be to everyone's taste....but it was the easiest one I could find.
    As someone who first started crossing the borders of Europe some 30 years ago, I believe this is all rubbish. Can you really believe that the French would hammer our trade when their balance of trade with us is very much in their favour. In any case could we not divert our trade through Holland, Belgium or even Southern Ireland.
    OK we might have to provide customs documents at Calais, it might be a minor inconvenience, but in any case I think it is highly unlikely.
    I am a little concerned that our Conservatives would allow their tariffs and not retaliate, just as they were with compensatory amounts.

    As for our industrial trade with Europe it is out of balance anyway.


    I think we will be able to cross borders with trade, as of now, but we shall be able to control people instead.

    I vote out,

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    The Election tomorrow may start the ball rolling faster ???

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    Never read anything with dailywail in the title, but, as it's you Gee ...... I still didn't read it ...

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    Pascal Lamy, slippery French sod he was. He is the chap who did for European sugar. Don't believe a word of it.

    There will be some pain and market reaction to the news, but the UK is better off without Europe. They will be much worse off, don't you believe it. But our biggest investor is the US. We are also forging close links with China and farther afield.

    We came out of the ERM, and we escaped the Euro. We can do without the EU and their apron strings as well.

    It is a bastion of unelected socialist jobsworths and it needs to stop. Enough is enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    There will be some pain and market reaction to the news, but the UK is better off without Europe. They will be much worse off, don't you believe it. But our biggest investor is the US. We are also forging close links with China and farther afield..
    Potentially a major headache for Obama if we leave the EU ,with a new President to be elected. Its unlikely the US are going to press for a new trade deal with the EU until 2017 if the press ahead now it will have to be watered down dramatically ,and in doing so it will hand The Donald a major boost making it very difficult for the second Clinton to win.

    If we leave the EU I wonder what type of trade agreement proposal the US will table in view of the fact that the US are trying to broker one with the EU that is not a very good one.
    A better one than the one they have on the table now?



    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    It is a bastion of unelected socialist jobsworths and it needs to stop. Enough is enough.
    That how I view our Civil servents in Cardiff , hoping for a small change tomorrow ,but it will not be radical.
    Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.

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    It would appear that a lot of people do not like the Daily Mail. Well I do, if only for Quentin Letts who is well educated, literate and and very lucid and Richard Littlejohn who just tells it how it is. But the newspaper that I read is irrelevant here. What I would ask people to read is the following which was a lengthy article published in the Daily Mail on Monday of this week. It was written by Steve Hilton, who was once David Cameron's chief political guru, close family friend, and again who is intelligent and well versed in EU matters.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-elite.html

    Even if you refuse to read an article in a that newspaper then please watch this. It is on for over an hour but you can come back to it where you left off if you can't take it all in one go.

    https://www.brexitthemovie.com/

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    I will be voting out of the EU for the following reasons:

    1. The EU is a resting place for dumping failed politicians. Who here remembers Neil Kinnock? Yeah, failed politician. Guess who is now drawing a pension in excess of 130K a year from the EU? You guessed it, Kinnock. Guess whose WIFE (former school teacher) is now drawing a pension from the EU as well? Guess whose SON is now working for the EU? You guessed it, Kinnock. Did anyone here elect any of these people? errrr Nope.

    2. I recognise that the highest legal court in this land is the Supreme Crown court. The Crown court hands out justice, only then people aren't happy with the ruling, and then go and make their claim to have it over-turned by the European court. I didn't vote for that thanks.

    3. NONE of the people that make up the EU commissions were elected by any of us here. Why then are they able to wield so much power over our country?

    4. We came out of the ERM, we avoided the Euro. We went through the pain barrier with Thatcher's game changing policies, turning the country from a socialist backwater into a major economic player. We did all that, and we can come out of this corrupt shambles as well.

    5. The EU as a political and economic entity, DOES NOT WORK. You have the whole game run by the French and Germans, aided by Belgium and Holland, who are the net beneficiaries of millions of euros of tax payers money. Go to Brussels and see the towers and bridges and buildings. You're telling me the Belgian government raised the cash for that domestically? Germany love being in the Euro, they are big exporters, and they encouraged all the PIGS and Eastern bloc countries to join, because they are weaker economies and this keep the Euro at a low value- EXACTLY what you want when you are aiming to export lots of stuff to overseas markets.

    We don't need to be a member of this club. I don't care if we paid 1 a week and got 350 million back, the fact of the matter is that the EU is wholly undemocratic, unelected and answers to no one. Their accounts have NOT been scrutinised for years. I believe last year the auditors got down to a record figure by which they disagreed, something of a new record as there was 'only' 300 million euros they could not agree on.

    These people are largely socialist, corrupt and have no other role in life than to get stuck into the EU trough which our nation is financing.

    You guys are worried about a trade war? Don't be. We import more from them than the reverse. If Norway can manage to negotiate a decent trade deal, we should find it easy as we represent a larger consumer market than Norway.

    Europe isn't even the biggest game in town at the moment, either. There is far more benefit to be gained from seeking business and trade links with the Far East, where billions of people are rapidly increasing their buying power, and who better to lend them money, or save their money, or finance their new homes and cars, or sell insurance, than the British financial district?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwork4menow View Post
    I will be voting out of the EU for the following reasons:

    1. The EU is a resting place for dumping failed politicians. Who here remembers Neil Kinnock? Yeah, failed politician. Guess who is now drawing a pension in excess of 130K a year from the EU? You guessed it, Kinnock. Guess whose WIFE (former school teacher) is now drawing a pension from the EU as well? Guess whose SON is now working for the EU? You guessed it, Kinnock. Did anyone here elect any of these people? errrr Nope.

    2. I recognise that the highest legal court in this land is the Supreme Crown court. The Crown court hands out justice, only then people aren't happy with the ruling, and then go and make their claim to have it over-turned by the European court. I didn't vote for that thanks.

    3. NONE of the people that make up the EU commissions were elected by any of us here. Why then are they able to wield so much power over our country?

    4. We came out of the ERM, we avoided the Euro. We went through the pain barrier with Thatcher's game changing policies, turning the country from a socialist backwater into a major economic player. We did all that, and we can come out of this corrupt shambles as well.

    5. The EU as a political and economic entity, DOES NOT WORK. You have the whole game run by the French and Germans, aided by Belgium and Holland, who are the net beneficiaries of millions of euros of tax payers money. Go to Brussels and see the towers and bridges and buildings. You're telling me the Belgian government raised the cash for that domestically? Germany love being in the Euro, they are big exporters, and they encouraged all the PIGS and Eastern bloc countries to join, because they are weaker economies and this keep the Euro at a low value- EXACTLY what you want when you are aiming to export lots of stuff to overseas markets.

    We don't need to be a member of this club. I don't care if we paid 1 a week and got 350 million back, the fact of the matter is that the EU is wholly undemocratic, unelected and answers to no one. Their accounts have NOT been scrutinised for years. I believe last year the auditors got down to a record figure by which they disagreed, something of a new record as there was 'only' 300 million euros they could not agree on.

    These people are largely socialist, corrupt and have no other role in life than to get stuck into the EU trough which our nation is financing.

    You guys are worried about a trade war? Don't be. We import more from them than the reverse. If Norway can manage to negotiate a decent trade deal, we should find it easy as we represent a larger consumer market than Norway.

    Europe isn't even the biggest game in town at the moment, either. There is far more benefit to be gained from seeking business and trade links with the Far East, where billions of people are rapidly increasing their buying power, and who better to lend them money, or save their money, or finance their new homes and cars, or sell insurance, than the British financial district?

    What he said.^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaza View Post
    It would appear that a lot of people do not like the Daily Mail. Well I do, if only for Quentin Letts who is well educated, literate and and very lucid and Richard Littlejohn who just tells it how it is. But the newspaper that I read is irrelevant here. What I would ask people to read is the following which was a lengthy article published in the Daily Mail on Monday of this week. It was written by Steve Hilton, who was once David Cameron's chief political guru, close family friend, and again who is intelligent and well versed in EU matters.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-elite.html
    I enjoy reading about them in Private Eye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    I enjoy reading about them in Private Eye.
    What about the movie ? If nothing else please view from 10 minutes in. https://www.brexitthemovie.com/

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    Just to clarify as an outsider looking in, I'm Irish, it looks like BBC is pushing a stay in agenda, but almost everything I see online points to an exit.

    Trade is a big issue for us in Ireland, we are going to have a land border with the EU, is smuggling going to be a problem?

    We already have a few multi-national European HQs based here because of time zone and language advantages. The feeling here is that we will have a lot more if Brexit goes ahead. People talk about how Norway is able to trade with EU, but how many multi-national corporations have their European HQ in Norway?

    As a beef farmer the future is very uncertain, mainly because roughly half of our international trade is with the UK. That's not just beef, it's everything. How much will the value of Sterling drop if Brexit goes ahead?

    Yes I can see where UK contributes more of the tax take than what you get back, but how much will trade value reduce if Brexit goes ahead? Nobody really knows.

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    I hope nobody feels insulted by some of the comments here on an Irish farming forum, they are in the minority.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...php?p=98792999

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5000man View Post
    Just to clarify as an outsider looking in, I'm Irish, it looks like BBC is pushing a stay in agenda, but almost everything I see online points to an exit.

    Trade is a big issue for us in Ireland, we are going to have a land border with the EU, is smuggling going to be a problem?

    We already have a few multi-national European HQs based here because of time zone and language advantages. The feeling here is that we will have a lot more if Brexit goes ahead. People talk about how Norway is able to trade with EU, but how many multi-national corporations have their European HQ in Norway?

    As a beef farmer the future is very uncertain, mainly because roughly half of our international trade is with the UK. That's not just beef, it's everything. How much will the value of Sterling drop if Brexit goes ahead?

    Yes I can see where UK contributes more of the tax take than what you get back, but how much will trade value reduce if Brexit goes ahead? Nobody really knows.
    How far are you from the border? Smuggling?? Never happens!!;-)

    There are lots of 'if's' 'but's' and 'maybe's' however I think we have an opportunity to make an historic change. I'm voting out.

    Look at how desperate the rest of Europe are that we stay. Ms Merkel just stopped short of begging us to vote remain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaza View Post
    What about the movie ? If nothing else please view from 10 minutes in. https://www.brexitthemovie.com/
    IMO "Yes Minister" should be compulsory viewing. We need [probaby too late] a version on the EU.

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